Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Corporate CEO Jim Shepard rides to Premier Christy Clark's political rescue - with faulty facts and red scare tactics about BC "socialism"

The Premier's Good Shepard
Jim Shepard has gone from CEO at Canfor and Finning to advising Christy Clark on the economy to heading Concerned Citizens for B.C. 
Veteran CEO Jim Shepard publicly exalts Christy Clark, but his rescue mission takes the wrong approach.

Bill Tieleman’s 24 hours/The Tyee column

Tuesday June 12, 2012

By Bill Tieleman

"You know, we lived through socialism in B.C. for 10 years. I know what it looks like and it is not pretty."

- Jim Shepard, Concerned Citizens for B.C.
One can admire veteran corporate executive Jim Shepard for doing what he believes is right -- attempting to save Premier Christy Clark by putting his retirement time and business experience on the line to head a political rescue mission.
But Shepard is the wrong salvage operator, who's using faulty facts and a counterproductive approach that may backfire on the BC Liberals.
First -- get real. When Shepard said in a 2010 interview that B.C. experienced "socialism," he was referring to the New Democratic Party governments of Mike Harcourt and Glen Clark in the 1990s.
"Socialism" in B.C. like in North Korea or back in the U.S.S.R.? How absurd.
Shepard should really have a chat with Glen Clark about that -- you know, the guy who is now president of the Jim Pattison Group -- B.C.'s third largest private corporation, with sales of $7.4 billion and 34,000 employees internationally.
And Shepard knows Glen quite well -- after all, Clark joined forest company Canfor's board of directors in 2009 while Shepard was still CEO. Neither company is state-owned.
Shepard also apparently puts U.S. President Barack Obama in the same "socialist" category as Clark. The full 2010 quote from Shepard in the middle of Obama's first term of office sounds like something Rush Limbaugh or Newt Gingrich might spout.
"It worries me about leadership in the U.S. right now and the direction it is going. You know, we lived through socialism in B.C. for 10 years. I know what it looks like and it is not pretty," Shepard told The Globe and Mail.
Amazing! Both the American president and the president of the Pattison Group are secret "socialists" undermining our cherished free enterprise way of life. Who knew?
We better put a stop to this -- call out Concerned Citizens for B.C.!
Blame the media
Second, the new Concerned Citizens for B.C. volunteer group leader blames not Christy Clark but the media for her problems.
"Christy has not been given a fair shake. She has not been identified as a competent premier," Shepard told reporters last week. "I want B.C. to see what I [see in Clark]."
"If the media could see Christy Clark the way I see her day in, day out, they'd be singing her praises to the heavens," Shepard told CKNW radio host Sean Leslie on Sunday.
But apparently what most of B.C. sees in Clark, it doesn't like.
Angus Reid Public Opinion released a national poll last week that showed Clark is Canada's second most unpopular premier with just a 30 per cent approval rating, narrowly ahead of Nova Scotia NDP Premier Darrel Dexter.
But NDP leader Adrian Dix is Canada's second most popular opposition leader, with a 53 per cent approval rating.
And while Clark's approval rating has dropped three per cent since March, Dix's has risen six per cent.
Blame the pollster
Shepard, who has been a $1-a-year economic advisor in Clark's office for the past year, has a lot of work to do changing that perception.
He might usefully start by telling Clark to stop shooting the messengers. Clark's response to the poll should have been to shrug it off and say she'll work even harder.
Instead, for the second time in a month, she blasted Angus Reid Public Opinion, questioning the world-renowned firm's polling.
After saying the election is a year away and that in recent months "we've seen polls aren't really very meaningful," Clark fired her torpedo:
"And third, it's an Angus Reid poll," Clark said with a smile. "Anything else?"
Founder Angus Reid wasn't having any of it.
"Maybe at least it's time to say, you know, 'Please, Madame Premier, back off. If you want to look at records, you can look at our record, but you may want to look at your own record because there's a lot of people in B.C. looking at that record and they don't like what they see,'" Reid told CKNW Radio's Jon McComb on Thursday.
Blame the 'dismal decade'
If Clark is less than diplomatic, hardline conservative Shepard has a take-no-prisoners approach.
As CEO of Finning International, the world's biggest Caterpillar equipment dealer, Shepard moved the company's Canadian head office from Vancouver to Edmonton in 1999 due to his antagonism towards the Glen Clark government.
Shepard also took out full-page newspaper ads in 2001 to support the election of Gordon Campbell.
But don't try to convince Shepard that the NDP's term in office from 1991 to 2001 didn't turn the province into a Depression-era dustbowl -- because he just won't listen.
"They had control of the province for 10 years," he told CKNW Sunday. "They took us from having one of the richest provinces in the country, where we were one of the strongest economies, to the absolutely worst economy in the province... to the point where we were on welfare, British Columbia was receiving equalization payments from Ottawa.
"That is absolutely pathetic -- and that's the kind of bottom line that we got with an NDP rule of 10 years," Shepard concluded incredulously.
In fact, the NDP government's track record during what Shepard and BC Liberals try to label the "dismal decade" is actually surprising positive compared to the current government's own results over 10 years.
You can look at many different statistics but check these:
Average economic growth under the NDP governments of the 1990s was three per cent -- that's far better than the BC Liberals' two per cent. Under the "socialist" NDP, corporate profits rose by 251 per cent, exports jumped 107 per cent, the provincial Gross Domestic Product was up by $51 billion -- a 63 per cent hike -- and capital investment rose 35 per cent.
The BC Liberals actually received five equalization payments from Ottawa in a decade totaling over $2.7 billion. The NDP? Just one of $125 million.
But why would Shepard or Premier Clark bother with the facts when fighting "socialism" is so appealing to the corporate funders the BC Liberals depended on for over 62 per cent of its income last year?
Still, one reason to change their dated 1950s Red Scare approach is because to ordinary voters, the claims are so ridiculous.
Dix himself comes from a family of small business owners. And the NDP gratefully accepts corporate donations -- $229,000 last year -- and is soliciting now harder than ever.
A strange footnote
Lastly, in a strange footnote, Shepard's new group has a remarkably similar name to one started by now-Finance Minister Kevin Falcon in the 1990s to undertake a "Total Recall" of NDP MLAs.
In an online profile, Falcon's old group "Concerned Citizens of B.C." is listed at an address that is currently occupied by the MLA's constituency office.
But a BC Liberal caucus spokesperson assures that the old group has nothing to do with either Shepard or Falcon's current role, saying the information was "dated."
Sort of like Shepard's approach to B.C. politics.

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42 comments:

Greg Cameron said...

Amazing what passes for thinking these days. A word of notice to political Neanderthals - the Red Menace is dead. Ironically(for Marxism) it collapsed of its own inner contradictions. No point beating a dead horse, people. Obama a socialist? Ha! The United States is still lost in the Larry Summers of Love, if you know what I mean...Greg Cameron, Surrey, B.C.

DPL said...

Gosh its weird to find that after spending over 22 years serving in the Canadian Military to hear I'm a socialist menace. Even though we were geared up to fight the Russian bear at the time. Guess I should give back my medals and pension( which I paid for and it certainly wasn't cheap) Sadly some folks buy that sort of crap but they are always around and should be ignored.They certainly are not the working persons friend

Ron S. said...

Only one word comes to mind when you hear Shepard open his mouth. Diarrhea! He should crawl back under the rock he came out from under.

Anonymous said...

Gosh its weird to find that after spending over 22 years serving in the Canadian Military to hear I'm a socialist menace. Even though we were geared up to fight the Russian bear at the time. Guess I should give back my medals and pension( which I paid for and it certainly wasn't cheap) Sadly some folks buy that sort of crap but they are always around and should be ignored.They certainly are not the working persons friend

Well consider that technically the NDP is socialist. The formal political environment that the NDP expresses itself to is democratic socialism. It is in the constitution. But thankfully the NDP's brand of socialism is far removed from the Soviet Socialist Republic.

If you want to throw away your medals, that's your choice.

and who exactly is the "working person"?? More left wing idealogue crap.

anyone be it truck driver, front desk girl, small business owner, accountant, sales person, lawyer,policeman, fireman, anyone who earns a paycheque is a working person. They guy who picks up the trash, and the gal who runs the small business selling financials such as mortages and mutal funds is a working person

if anyone figures "working persons" are just those in unions and trades, frankly they are full of BS.

Anonymous said...

Only one word comes to mind when you hear Shepard open his mouth. Diarrhea! He should crawl back under the rock he came out from under.
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I see that Ron S. has never left the bathroom.

and Ron. Cut the crap. Sheppard has a right to his opinions as you do yours.

Anonymous said...

Campbell and his BC Liberals, lied, deceived, thieved, broke promises, were corrupt, used dirty tactics, dirty politics, and Campbell most certainly, twice lied and cheated to win.

Campbell's theft and sale of the BCR, is the sleaziest crime in this country's history. That was Campbell's first election lie. The BCR wasn't for sale. Christy Clark was Campbell's Deputy Minister, at that time. All of Campbell's Ministers, backed him right to the hilt. Christy bailed out, however, the stench remains.

Then there was Campbell, Hansen and Harper, who forced the HST onto the BC people. That was Campbell's second election lie...the HST wasn't on his radar. However, the HST radar papers, were on Hansen's desk, before the BC election. Hansen caught in a lie, finally had to admit it.

Then there was Campbell and Harper's betrayals. Sneaking secret deals behind the people's backs. Campbell had forgot to tell the BC citizens he was, and still is, working for Harper. Harper's Campbell/Clark BC Liberals and Boessenkool, all work for him.

How could any BC person, forget about the betrayals, treason and the traitors, that the BC Liberals and Harper really are?

All of this treachery began, the day Campbell thieved and sold our BCR, and the priceless Real Estate that went with it

We have not forgotten, the crimes against the BC people, by the BC Liberals, nor will we ever.

Anonymous said...

"We have not forgotten, the crimes against the BC people, by the BC Liberals, nor will we ever."

Since "crimes" are regarded as transgressions against statuatory Acts, exactly what "crimes against the BC people" is the statement in reference to? List them as they are cited in terms of violation of the Criminal Code of Canada.

The only thing the BC Liberals can be noted for is stupidity in alot of things including BC Rail.

and who is "we" and Anon's 'review' provides nothing new.

and exactly where is the "treason" as applied to treasonous acts? List them.

ALso consider that Haprer did receive the majority of votes in the last election, followed by the NDP and thirdly by the federal Liberals. Seems that some here can't seem to live with democracy unless it means a victorous win for the NDP.

Anonymous said...

Just because selling assets to insider friends is not always a crime, it smells rotten. Selling B.C. Rail, LCB warehouses, and endless backroom deals to Kinsella, Hochstein, and Liberal friends may not be criminal on the surface, but it sure smells of corruption.

It's similar to going to the media with glorious plans to renovate hospitals just months before an election and then doing squat about it. The roof on a stadium is important, but hospital infrastructure......not so important, but easily politicised.
Smells like Montreal Maffia. No crime found here so far, but boy does it stink.

FYI to our troll poster....who is we? We are the taxpayers and voters of B.C. fed up with scandal after scandal. Liberals telling us just how incompetent the Socialists are while racking up the highest debt ever in this province. $60 Billion and climbing. That may not be a crime, but it STINKS too!
And, Phil Hochstein,regarding your letter in the Surrey Leader, etc., regarding "the NDP Plan", Oct 1 2010, just what is the Liberal plan for debt reduction in this province? More backroom deals for your friends I suppose? Keep the HST 'till the Libs are kicked to the curb? Watch taxpayers by the thousands travel south for deals? Even Harper is happy to see the cash flow south. Are you happy about that?

Anonymous said...

"Just because selling assets to insider friends is not always a crime, it smells rotten."

Sure. Agree. But CN is not an insider to the Liberals. Consider that the NDP had placed insiders onto the CFI's Board, namely jack Munro, and Marc Elisen had been an insider for the NDP.

"Selling B.C. Rail, LCB warehouses, and endless backroom deals to Kinsella, Hochstein, and Liberal friends may not be criminal on the surface, but it sure smells of corruption."

Um just one sec, there. the LCB has NOT sold LCB warehouses.

What about the NDP catering to labour? They have preferred seats at the Convention. Judy Darcy is a former union boss. The NDP has a huge labour influence. Just as bad as the Corporate influence with the Liberals.

and isn't it convient that Geoff Megg's better half is the Big Kahuna at NDP HQ, the place where boxes of memberships attributed to Adrian Dix suddenly showed up without the cash or cheque attached that was required. Right then and there I would have dismissed those as they did not meet the requirements. But no ol' Jan said they were okay.

The NDP insisted on union labour for the Inland Island Highway and not open shop. Is that not catering to union interests?

"It's similar to going to the media with glorious plans to renovate hospitals just months before an election and then doing squat about it."

Well the NDP did piddly squat about renovating hospitals so at least this is a start. Now is the NDP once government going to cancel the renovations started by the Liberals??

"FYI to our troll poster....who is we? We are the taxpayers and voters of B.C. fed up with scandal after scandal. Liberals telling us just how incompetent the Socialists are while racking up the highest debt ever in this province. $60 Billion and climbing. That may not be a crime, but it STINKS too!"


Well I am a taxpayer too, and like you I do NOT like alot about the BC Liberals antics.


And, Phil Hochstein,regarding your letter in the Surrey Leader, etc., regarding "the NDP Plan", Oct 1 2010, just what is the Liberal plan for debt reduction in this province? More backroom deals for your friends I suppose? Keep the HST 'till the Libs are kicked to the curb? Watch taxpayers by the thousands travel south for deals? Even Harper is happy to see the cash flow south. Are you happy about that?

You're whining about a letter to the editor that was written almost two years ago? The BC NDP did not have a Plan at the time the letter was written.

Thousands travel south for deals, but don't forget there's more variety down there, and the deals are more attributed to a larger market in The States than the market here in Canada and doesn't have anything to do with the Liberals for the same product price differntial. You'll find price disparities in Manitoba and the Dakotas and Ontario and New York. It has little to do with the exchange. Also, you're paying Washington State taxes.

Bill Tieleman said...

I notice on my blog that apparently as the level of provincial leadership drops, the population of trolls increases in direct proportion! Amazing!

Hopefully at least some of them aren't on the BC payroll.

Anonymous said...

Agreed, Bill. The difference, however, between the 90's and now is that the Libs are the current bandits, and all that crap is "old news!", remember? You said that.
But you are strangely silent on the forecast debtload of $60 Billion next year. Do the Libs find that acceptable to borrow funds for mega projects with no way to pay it? Where have we seen this? PIIGS perhaps? Europe is doing exactly the same with devastating results. Hope you are happy with this.

Anonymous said...

"You're whining about a letter to the editor that was written almost two years ago?"
So it's ok to complain and whine about crap from 15 years ago, but 1 and 2 is unacceptable?
Is this a joke?

Anonymous said...

"Also, you're paying Washington State taxes."
8.5% vs 12% and higher for certain items.
Gas INCLUDING all taxes - $1.01 per litre. US. No duty.
$1.44 including taxes here.
Isn't Washington gas imported mostly from Canada?
Enjoy the weekend. No more from me.

Anonymous said...

I notice on my blog that apparently as the level of provincial leadership drops, the population of trolls increases in direct proportion! Amazing!

Hopefully at least some of them aren't on the BC payroll

So Bill does this mean that everything is going to be quiet once the NDP becomes government?

Might as well start storing off this blog before it's removed because of inactivity as a result of no one will be contributing to it. Why? the NDP becomes government and of course every left winger contributor here will NOT bash the NDP, right?

Anonymous said...

Isn't Washington gas imported mostly from Canada?
Enjoy the weekend. No more from me.

Washington Natural Gas is imporated from Canada. Washington gasoline comes from Alaska, delivered to Cherry Point and refineries in Anacortes.

Enjoy the weekend. Shop till ya plop.

Anonymous said...

So it's ok to complain and whine about crap from 15 years ago, but 1 and 2 is unacceptable?
Is this a joke?

Nope. I don't see any whining about how the NDP manipulates its nomination meetings, nor how two candidates who are Vancouver civic politicians are going to set off expensive by-elections should they win the next provincial election.

Care to whine about that? Of course not.

Anonymous said...

"You're whining about a letter to the editor that was written almost two years ago?"
So it's ok to complain and whine about crap from 15 years ago, but 1 and 2 is unacceptable?
Is this a joke?

Why the whining and complaining about a letter to the editor to a local paper in regards to something that didn't exist 2 years ago?

The BC NDP did not have a Plan. The federal NDP did.

Anonymous said...

"Nope. I don't see any whining about how the NDP manipulates its nomination meetings, nor how two candidates who are Vancouver civic politicians are going to set off expensive by-elections should they win the next provincial election."

Old news.

Anonymous said...

"The BC NDP did not have a Plan."

More old news.

Anonymous said...

" the NDP becomes government and of course every left winger contributor here will NOT bash the NDP, right?"
Wrong again.

Anonymous said...

Why do you refuse to comment about our provincial debt?

Do you not understand the concequences?

Do you not understand what "PIIGS" means?

We need your wisdom.

DPL said...

Wonder how many of the anons that hang around here ever writes to a BC Liberal support column? Instead they keep picking sentences from comments written by others and try to debate themselves. Yes the Liberal have run up the debt to a horrible level, and of course Dix knows that and will have to deal with it, but he will

Anonymous said...

With that plus all of the demands that the Dix NDP are going to hit with? Good luck in settling down the debt and at the same time appeasing left wing special interest groups
It is much easier to be a critic than to be party of a government that has to make the decisions. Think about it and think deeply ad DPL chases his imaginary demons.

Anonymous said...

"Good luck in settling down the debt"
You have that right. $60 Billion to Liberal insiders will be hard to pay down.
Being snarky to legit posters is not going to help either.

Message to Bill T.: this kind of quoting and spamming takes away from the real story. You should clean up your blog a bit, otherwise folks like myself will look elsewhere. Good day.

Roy Davidson said...

according to anonymous,Shepard and his lords have done no wrong. They make us lay down in green pastures because of there greed we are all on minimum wage so we can t afford a roof over our heads. We as a province are being raped and pillaged by the greedy 1 percenters. It is dumb f--ks like him that screw things up. If you are so sure of your self use your name on the blog and let us know who you are . my name is Roy Davidson.

Anonymous said...

according to anonymous,Shepard and his lords have done no wrong.

Wrong. He's out of his friggin' mind if he thinks some specialty group is going to carry Christy through an election. This guy has probably never been out there in the field where the real campaign work is done.

And you.. How dare you figure that you're right about one's position??
You don't know anything about the poster at all.

They make us lay down in green pastures because of there greed we are all on minimum wage so we can t afford a roof over our heads. We as a province are being raped and pillaged by the greedy 1 percenters. It is dumb f--ks like him that screw things up.

Well I agree. There are equivalents on the left side of the equation too.

If you are so sure of your self use your name on the blog and let us know who you are . my name is Roy Davidson

and how do we know that this Roy Davidson is the same left wing Roy Davidson. Anyone can set a chosen name into a blog. The only one that can't be used is Bill Tieleman. That's already taken by the real one.

Anonymous said...

Being snarky to legit posters is not going to help either.

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Well, goes both ways. I've read worse commentary from left wing bloggers here and it doesn't bother me. if they are factually wrong they should be shown where.

This is supposed to be a discussion blog. if the left wingers can't take criticism but love to shovel it out, then the problem is with them.

and as far as that $60 billion goes, sure. Tell that to the benificiaries of new hospitals in Surrey and elsewhere, new are facilities and programs that people are using now that did not exist when the NDP was in power.

The NDP will spend money. Does that mean all of the extra spending is for "NDP Insiders" too? Give it a rest.

The NDP will come up with some good things, but every government comes out with things that are a disaster. the only difference is that Christy has been one disaster per day.

and if it means an NDP government, well be prepared to live with it and don't come crying home to those who are opposed to it. If you want it, take it. If you take it, live with it. It's what you wanted.

Anonymous said...

The troll serves the purpose of clearly seeing inside the neo-con mind.

It is disgusting but it serves a useful purpose.

Anonymous said...

"It's what you wanted."
You know nothing of what I want.

Anonymous said...

I think that the problem we have with the troll poster is that when we mention the recent corruption of the Clark Scampbell regime, he repeats that this is yesterdays news, then goes on and repeats the crap the socialists put us through almost 20 years ago. What occurred 20 years ago IS yesterdays news. You can't keep blaming the NDP for what's going on in the last 11 years. It's boring us to death!
Fail.

DPL said...

There are computer programs that show the IP address of folks posting stuff. I can only guess that the anons who are arguing for the BC Liberals are a very small number. But let them rattle on as most folks can quickly see that they really don't have much to add to the story. To agree with Bill gets a rather silly anon response.

Bill Tieleman said...

While I appreciate a good debate, endless repetition and attacks on other posters doesn't make for an informative discussion here.

I have therefore declined to publish the last two comments submitted. The Anonymous poster can argue with that through another comment if they wish but as several other readers have said, it is becoming tiresome.

not anon DPL said...

Woentse Happy Fathers Day to all and I even include the paid by somebody anons

Anonymous said...

I even include the paid by somebody anons

Bill cut the crap. Debate if you must but leave the oblique references out of it.

As one of the anons DPL referrs to rest assured to him and to Bill I am NOT paid by the BC Liberals government or party.

I am a politically aware private citizen.

Bill these oblique references to anons being paid by the BC Liberals are getting tiresome and they are wrong.

Cut the crap, and retain allowing factual debate without the personal attacks, either direct or obliquely.

Anonymous said...

There will always be paid political propagandists - however they should legally be required to identify themselves on any radio show / blog / or news comment section.

The fact that there are at least 200 full time PAB's under the employment of the BC Liberal government, being paid by our tax dollars - to comment and post anonymously sycophantically uncritical support of everything the BC Liberals and their cronies do - is just plain corrupt.

Anonymous said...

"There will always be paid political propagandists - however they should legally be required to identify themselves on any radio show / blog / or news comment section."

True, there will always be political propagandists, in any party or government.

"The fact that there are at least 200 full time PAB's under the employment of the BC Liberal government, being paid by our tax dollars - to comment and post anonymously sycophantically uncritical support of everything the BC Liberals and their cronies do - is just plain corrupt."

Very true. Now then, what happens after the NDP assumes power after next June? There will still be a PAB and they would be employed by the NDP government. A few will post anonymously scophantically uncritically supporting everything Premier Dix and his NDP govenrment would be doing. Is that corrupt? is it right? The correct answer is no.

It wil be interesting to see the degree of critical comment against the NDP government once the policies and directions start to set in. Will also be interesting to see where Bill here takes this blog. It's been very easy for him to be quite rightly critical of the BC Liberals. It will be interesting to see how he handles the NDP government in terms of being a critic.

Bill Tieleman said...

Oh Anon 3:49 p.m. - always worried about me! Will I be critical enough of the NDP should they get elected?

I can't tell the future but you can certainly read this blog to see what I've done in the past - been highly critical of the NDP both BC and federal when I felt it was warranted.

But you probably already know that - keep grinding away!

Anonymous said...

Well Bill, I would like to see some commentary, critical ones equating that of the BC Liberals, should (and when) the NDP makes some serious errors in policy, or much easier, fail to live up to their promises.

Kepe in mind my friend the NDP is carrying alot of baggage, and if the NDP is smart, they would NOT absolutely NOT under any circumstanes appoint friends and insiders to Crown Corporations and the like.

In addition, the NDP will not spend tax payer money on "feel good about us" government advertising.

If they do that, they will be hypocrites.

The NDP will most likely box themselves in to a hypocritical corner.

It will be of course up to you to decide whether (and to what degree) you hold their collective feet to the fire.

I am not hoping for a balance on that one (in other words I certainly would not expect you to go after the NDP in the same intensity as you have with the BC Liberals).

But we'll see.

Anonymous said...

.. and Bill, the criticism I've seen against the NDP both federally and provincially from your blog is more of a light tap on the wrist compared to the tearing apart of the BC Liberals and Conservatives.

We'd like to see you tear apart the NDP when warranted, but we'd also like to see heavily subsidized helicopter flights to and from Vancouver Island too.

Anonymous said...

To the parrot troll.Since you can predict what the next NDP gov.will or will not do and what Bill and others will state or will not state here,could you please tell me the price of crude in August 2014.I would also like the score of the next Miami/ Okcity game.I really admire you Mister parrot troll.

Anonymous said...

To the parrot troll.Since you can predict what the next NDP gov.will or will not do and what Bill and others will state or will not state here,could you please tell me the price of crude in August 2014.I would also like the score of the next Miami/ Okcity game.I really admire you Mister parrot troll.

To the orange parrot troll. Pretty easy to predict the intensity of critical comment against the NDP from a left wing blog. It wouldn't amount to much.

As for the price of crude, sorry, not in petroleum futures. As for the Miami/Okcity game, not into overhyped NFL football and MLB.

Maybe you can provide your predictions as to how many NDP hacks and supporters will get political paid jobs?

Anonymous said...

CC4BC is a joke. I thought that there was going to be no bad mouthing between parties in this upcoming election! Your latest negative ad is hidden behind CC4BC, but you are the Liberal party???? Shame on you! You have lost my vote!