tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post8118301977581363260..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: HST Hits and Myths - BC Liberal promises and other prevarications explainedBill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-49755171962002445502010-12-31T10:48:56.940-08:002010-12-31T10:48:56.940-08:00If business saves almost $2 billion, and does so e...If business saves almost $2 billion, and does so every year hereafter, the money can only come from consumers if HST is revenue neutral to government.well my blog usagamezone.blogspot.comFull latest pc games linkshttp://usagamezone.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-51714482319870360852010-06-09T12:14:28.692-07:002010-06-09T12:14:28.692-07:00Ontario HST will take a bite from middle-income ea...<a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-hst-will-take-a-bite-from-middle-income-earners/article1597064/" rel="nofollow">Ontario HST will take a bite from middle-income earners</a><br /><br /><i>One half of the 5.3 million households in Ontario will feel the brunt of the province’s looming harmonized sales tax, including middle-income earners who were supposed to be unaffected by the new levy, the government’s own study shows.<br /><br />The study released on Tuesday by the McGuinty government says that households with annual incomes of $60,000 to $70,000 will be out of pocket $45 a year. The study is the most exhaustive attempt to date to measure how the sweeping tax changes will affect households at various income levels. It reveals that the harmonized tax will take a bigger toll on middle-income earners than previously believed.<br /><br />Premier Dalton McGuinty is under attack by opposition members over the harmonized tax, which Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak says is an “unmitigated attack” on the pocketbooks of Ontarians.</i><br /><br />Karen Howlett, The Globe and Mail<br /><br />-----<br /><br />The Ontario government study - Ontario’s Tax Plan for Jobs and Growth - is <a href="http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/en/taxchange/pdf/technical_consumer.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> [.PDF / 46 pages]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-68864182801579176292010-06-09T07:56:08.416-07:002010-06-09T07:56:08.416-07:00I couldn't find anything about this on the Fig...<i>I couldn't find anything about this on the</i> <a href="http://fighthst.com/" rel="nofollow">FightHST</a> <i>site, so I thought I'd leave it here.</i><br /><br />Ron Knight <a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/Changes+coming+with/3130420/story.html" rel="nofollow">writes</a> in today's Vancouver Sun: <i>"Currently, management fees and administration fees are subject only to the five-per-cent GST. Since the management expense ratio of a fund includes taxes, it is expected that the HST will result in an increase in a fund's MER."<br /><br />"MER" refers to the cost of running a mutual fund. Any fees and taxes are charged, whether or not a fund shows a yearly gain or loss, and are paid before any money is returned to investors.</i><br /><br />Perhaps somebody who really knows this stuff could enlighten the rest of us. Are our pension savings really going to take a 7% tax hit on July 1?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-49300819221987212352010-06-08T13:20:21.377-07:002010-06-08T13:20:21.377-07:00?nteresting
I don't always read the Ottawa pu...<b>?nteresting</b><br /><br />I don't always read the Ottawa pundits, but when I do I prefer Barbara Yaffe at the Vancouver Sun.<br /><br />An <i>interesting</i> <a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/Ontario+more+accepting+than/3125921/story.html" rel="nofollow">article from Yaffe</a> today. She states the Ontario opposition to the HST there is at 74%, while here in BC it is 82% opposed. <br /><br />[side note: the sample error was +/- 2.3% in Ontario and +/- 3.1% in BC, meaning that the two provinces could be as close as 3% (or as distant as 13%) - the Ipsos Reid <a href="http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/283261" rel="nofollow">poll</a> was done in late November 2009... who knows what the numbers are now]<br /><br />Yaffe goes on to attribute the slim difference in opposition to how each government played the news to the people. I'm having a hard time agreeing to her logic. <br /><br />I think voters are sick and tired of hearing that cure all for economic malaise is economic trickle down from the rich (it used to be rich people, but that was thoroughly disproven) corporations to their wage slaves below... not a lot of faith in trusting big business these days... especially when the ticket price in BC is $2<b>B</b>illion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-2839829189371654022010-06-08T12:46:09.923-07:002010-06-08T12:46:09.923-07:00Thanks Anonymous 8:48 AM - here is a direct link t...Thanks Anonymous 8:48 AM - here is a direct link to the June 8, 2010 'Fight HST' press release<br /><br /><a href="http://fighthst.com/press-release-bc-first-nations-join-vander-zalm-legal-challenge-to-hst/" rel="nofollow">http://fighthst.com/press-release-bc-first-nations-join-vander-zalm-legal-challenge-to-hst/</a><br /><br /><i>Grand Chief Stewart Phillip said the HST will devastate native peoples in BC, who are among the poorest people in the province, “The HST will hit our peoples the hardest. They will have to pay it on the majority of their purchases, which are made off reserve. Many First Nations people struggle just to survive, and this tax will severely hurt them.”<br /><br />Phillip pointed out that not only does the HST appear to contravene Section 92 of the Constitution which grants exclusive authority for provincial sales taxes to the provinces, but it also contravenes aboriginal sovereignty over taxation for natives.</i><br /><br />-----<br /><br />Here is the Union of British Columbia Indian Chiefs June 8, 2010 press release: <a href="http://www.ubcic.bc.ca/News_Releases/UBCICNews06081002.htm" rel="nofollow">HST – A Failure to Communicate</a><br /><br /><i>Last week, the Chiefs Council of the Union of BC Indian Chiefs met to discuss different issues facing First Nations in BC. As a very urgent issue facing First Nations families and communities, the pending Harmonized Sales Tax was discussed.<br /><br />A panel consisting of Chief Keith Matthew, Cliff Atleo, Bill Vander Zalm, Chris Delaney and Merle Alexander provided an overview and updated the Chiefs Council.<br /><br />Subsequently, the Chiefs Council discussed and passed UBCIC Resolution 2010-21, Support for Legal Challenge to Implementation of HST.</i><br /><br />see the UBCIC link for a copy of the resolutionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-46521577575775200532010-06-08T08:48:28.796-07:002010-06-08T08:48:28.796-07:00Here's what BC's First Nations have to say...Here's what BC's First Nations have to say:<br /><br />BC First Nations join Vander Zalm legal challenge to HST<br /><br />See the press release at fighthst.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-34304526581817996682010-06-07T23:02:14.539-07:002010-06-07T23:02:14.539-07:00First Things First
Just wondering what BC's F...<b>First Things First</b><br /><br />Just wondering what BC's First Nations have to say about the HST?<br /><br />I have no idea how the HST will impact our province's native communities, but my interest was piqued when I saw this story out of Ontario:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=46514" rel="nofollow">First Nation calls off highway closure planned for tomorrow</a> David Helwig, <br />SooToday.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-44791468991660605112010-06-06T19:46:39.084-07:002010-06-06T19:46:39.084-07:00A triplet of corporate media stories on the HST. I...A triplet of corporate media stories on the HST. It would seem that unlike the BC Liberals, the monied media have caught on that folks know they need to pay taxes - they despise the sleazy way the BC Liberals lied about the HST during the last election.<br /><br />There is a new phrase in Canada's political lexicon: “patently absurd” and that is what BC's voters think of the BC Liberal's HST story. <br /><br />If Campbell feels that the electorate will be grateful for him <a href="http://www.theprovince.com/life/Liberals+spend+summer+selling+controversial+plan+public/3110242/story.html" rel="nofollow">spending untold millions</a> telling them they were fools for signing the anti-HST petition, well...<br /><br />Here, in no particular order, are the HST stories:<br /><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-liberals-retuning-their-sales-pitch-for-hst/article1592287/" rel="nofollow">B.C. Liberals retuning their sales pitch for HST</a> Justine Hunter, Globe and Mail<br /><br /><a href="http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Feds+cash+sold+Campbell/3116925/story.html" rel="nofollow">Feds' cash sold Campbell on the HST</a> Les Leyne, Times Colonist<br /><br /><a href="http://www.timescolonist.com/technology/Liberals+face+uphill+battle+experts/3119198/story.html" rel="nofollow">Liberals face uphill HST battle: experts</a> Rob Shaw, Times Colonist<br /><br /><i>and one from the 'Flat Earth Society'</i><br /><a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/anti%2Binitiative%2Bdoomed%2BHere/3110571/story.html" rel="nofollow">The anti-HST initiative is doomed. Here's why</a> Geoff Plant, a former BC Liberal attorney-general of British Columbia and former Victoria room-mate of Gordon CampbellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-30121710258969659132010-06-06T19:06:14.823-07:002010-06-06T19:06:14.823-07:00"Quick as you can, get to the nearest VD Clin..."Quick as you can, get to the nearest VD Clinic, you have contracted "Clap of the yap" you obviously have had your cranium up your rectum and partaken in past Gonorrhea Lectims"<br /><br />Seems this disease is spreading fast. Already have the previous poster as the first carrier, with delirium, profuse sweating, dilated pupils and noticeable shaking.<br /><br />Might want to sweep your blog with anti-viral disinfectant there Bill.<br /><br />Could be a major problem if allowed to persist.<br /><br />No sense in the rest of us canvassers and supporters of your blog being infected with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-56589604862829718292010-06-05T17:53:53.092-07:002010-06-05T17:53:53.092-07:00Anonymous 2:37 PM PDT
----------------------------...Anonymous 2:37 PM PDT<br />---------------------------------<br />Quick as you can, get to the nearest VD Clinic, you have contracted "Clap of the yap" you obviously have had your cranium up your rectum and partaken in past Gonorrhea Lectims.Henri Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-46396315706714175792010-06-03T14:37:18.592-07:002010-06-03T14:37:18.592-07:00"The BC Center for Disease Control has issued..."The BC Center for Disease Control has issued a warning about a new virulent strain of this old disease. The disease is called Gonorrhea Lectim. It's pronounced "Gonna re-elect 'em," and it is a terrible affliction<br /><br />The disease is contracted through dangerous and high risk behavior involving putting your cranium up your rectum. Many victims contracted it in 2008...but now most people, after having been infected for the past 1-2 years, are starting to realize how destructive this sickness is. "<br /><br />Obviously the carriers of this disases are those afflicted with<br />N. democratii partisumostasis a contagious disease with symptoms<br />such as delirum, pronounced dilation of the pupils and constant shaking and sweating with<br />fits of adequate memory function<br />and not being aware of their surroundings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-9044809641530473762010-06-03T06:10:40.891-07:002010-06-03T06:10:40.891-07:00Former New Democratic Party premier Glen Clark, du...Former New Democratic Party premier Glen Clark, during a recent Web interview with NDP MLA <a href="http://www.guygentner.ca/" rel="nofollow">Guy Gentner</a> as summerized by <a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Glen+Clark+words+about+well+things/3105809/story.html" rel="nofollow">Vaughn Palmer</a>: "<i>The HST does not create more revenue," said Clark, who served as finance minister in the early 1990s and as premier later in the decade.<br /><br />"The HST is a shift in the tax burden away from business and onto individuals and it's revenue-neutral. It's a great irony that a government would take this huge political shift away from business onto individuals and not gain, really, any more revenue ... The HST is a little bit more ideological than it is a tax policy."<br /><br /></i>[...]<i><br /><br />"Forgetting the debate about whether the HST is a good thing or a bad thing, a lot of the debate has to do with the fact that there was no discussion or process that [they] went through before they arrived at that decision.<br /><br />"Of course I did some of that as well," he added.</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-87692445157892338862010-06-03T05:49:17.291-07:002010-06-03T05:49:17.291-07:00Chris Delaney writes in the Vancouver Sun May 3, 2...Chris Delaney <a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/Investigating+implementing/3105841/story.html" rel="nofollow">writes</a> in the Vancouver Sun May 3, 2010: <i>"Former B.C. cabinet minister Rick Thorpe is either misinformed or confused when he <a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Delaney/3087165/story.html" rel="nofollow">says</a> I advocated for the harmonized sales tax in the last election. To set the record straight, in the last election the B.C. Conservative party stated in its platform that it would "investigate the benefits of an HST." This statement, created at a meeting of candidates, was never adopted as policy."</i><br /><br />[...]<br /><br /><i>"As much as I detest the HST and will continue to oppose it, at least the Conservatives had the forthrightness to present their ideas in their platform, even if I didn't agree with that particular one."</i><br /><br />Is this the same Rick Thorpe who spent a year, and untold taxpayer dollars, coming up with a tailored in BC PST that would specifically address the needs of British Columbians<b>?</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-61927026606298633512010-06-02T20:13:36.817-07:002010-06-02T20:13:36.817-07:00I will understand if you don't post this, but ...I will understand if you don't post this, but ... I thought it was kind'a funny, in a sick sort of way. <br />Direct from friends in East Van!<br /><br />-----<br />Information about Gonorrhea Lectim (Liberalis strain)<br /> <br />The BC Center for Disease Control has issued a warning about a new virulent strain of this old disease. The disease is called Gonorrhea Lectim. It's pronounced "Gonna re-elect 'em," and it is a terrible affliction<br /> <br />The disease is contracted through dangerous and high risk behavior involving putting your cranium up your rectum. Many victims contracted it in 2008...but now most people, after having been infected for the past 1-2 years, are starting to realize how destructive this sickness is. <br /> <br />It's sad because Gonorrhea Lectim is easily cured with a new drug just coming on the market called Votemout. You take the first dose in 2010 (HST variant) and the second dose in 2013 and simply don't engage in such behavior again; otherwise, it could become permanent and eventually wipe out all life as we know it. <br /> <br />Most ridings are already on top of this, like many in the interior , and apparently now on the Island, with many more seeing the writing on the wall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-54384605478422469782010-06-02T19:10:19.117-07:002010-06-02T19:10:19.117-07:00"Interesting article in the Globe and Mail to..."Interesting article in the Globe and Mail today suggesting Gordo should leave soon. His past business experience, using his money shows he sure wouldn't make it in business."<br /><br />What business experience? He's never worked in private buiness other than a short time with Marathon Realty. Most of his time was spent being Art Phillip's Aide<br />or on Council, other than his Peace Corps duty.<br /><br />If people think he's the pinnacle of Corporate Howe Street when it come to business experience in large companies, they're sadly mistaken.<br /><br />Glen Clark has built up more business experience than Campbell has, and Clark originally hated the corporate world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-58247911440112853432010-06-02T15:13:10.160-07:002010-06-02T15:13:10.160-07:00Interesting article in the Globe and Mail today su...Interesting article in the Globe and Mail today suggesting Gordo should leave soon. His past business experience, using his money shows he sure wouldn't make it in business.DPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-24919594313772134332010-06-02T14:48:10.412-07:002010-06-02T14:48:10.412-07:00The NDP. A net importer of political power.
And t...The NDP. A net importer of political power.<br /><br />And the constant writer Norman.<br /><br />Why go after high income tax earners? Income Tax should be fair and equiable for everyone, based on their income. The constant bashing of high income earners is old news. Reminscent of the old days of the 1980's NDP.<br /><br />Back when Bill Tieleman was a pup<br />looking up to Mike Harcourt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-56719185027767244402010-06-02T13:12:35.183-07:002010-06-02T13:12:35.183-07:00That would be the same Kevin Milligan who tried wi...That would be the same Kevin Milligan who tried without success to debate with readers of The Tyee a while back while defending HST. What the economist can not overcome is the reality that large exporters gain the most because their products are sold at world prices. Relief from PST provides them greater profitability, it does not result in lower prices.<br /><br />Most consumer goods are imports that carry very little burden of PST in their selling price so price reductions will be tiny, if any. Locally made products, beer for example, might cost less but BC Liberals already said they won't let that happen.<br /><br />If business saves almost $2 billion, and does so every year hereafter, the money can only come from consumers if HST is revenue neutral to government.<br /><br />Consumption taxes may be appropriate but you should not change one element without addressing all parts of a complex tax system. One SFU economist touting the HST has written that consumption taxes should be balanced with increased income tax rates on high earners.<br /><br />Government should have initiated a public debate over tax policy to consider tax incidence - the effect of all taxes on wealth distribution. What happened instead is that they responded to big business operators who want to pay less tax. <br /><br />Why did Liberals conduct a one sided examination?Norm Farrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06762889793990336381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-29577664263226101322010-06-02T09:05:13.463-07:002010-06-02T09:05:13.463-07:00Interesting. So since when are promises chipped in...Interesting. So since when are promises chipped in granite? The NDP wasn't exactly truthful in their time in power, and to be very fair, neither was VanderZalm.<br /><br />Think Bill might be spinning the wheels here. What he should do is start the steps to have the NDP get rid of the HST, to set that as a major policy for the next election, and run with it now.<br /><br />The BC Liberals won't get rid of the HST, the NDP will have the opportunity to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-1771218143591746302010-06-02T07:53:39.386-07:002010-06-02T07:53:39.386-07:00Bill, I just got to this page and at the top it sa...Bill, I just got to this page and at the top it says:<br /><br />"Your comment was published."<br /><br />Is this about my comment last week or what? - I haven't commented yet today!<br /><br />Anyway for today:<br /><br />"<i>Lake should be removed as chair after first saying that: "The committee could look at that initiative and say that it's invalid. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't know about the constitutionality of the wording of the petition, for example."<br /><br />Premier Gordon Campbell had to quickly correct Lake's bone-headed misreading of Elections B.C. rules and admit the committee can't dismiss the petition. But Lake has already demonstrated his unfitness for the job.</i>"<br /><br />In a normal world Lake would be unsuitable for this position, but in Campbell's Godfather like version of reality, his stupid statements merely verify his suitability for the job. <br /><br />In a recent post at the <a href="http://houseofinfamy.blogspot.com/2010/05/sunday-funnies-kevin-krueger-possibly.html" rel="nofollow">House</a>, I point out that the Kamloops ridings most definitely aren't where the BC liaRs store their brain trust. I must admit though that apparently Kevie Krueger CAN actually drive and take orders over his cell phone simultaneously, legality aside, as obeying traffic laws (well, any laws or sense of decency) isn't a huge priority with the LIEberal caucus.kootcoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11344208424209840730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-7429762220277198002010-06-02T07:17:18.491-07:002010-06-02T07:17:18.491-07:00If Campbell decides to say his own ass I expect he...If Campbell decides to say his own ass I expect he will sacrifice Hansen.<br /><br />One could see the "fiscal pretty boy" announce he failed to effectively communicate the government's position on a variety of budget policies and will resign for "HIS" failures.<br /><br />Certainly Hansen is guilty of many sins and should commit political suicide but everyone knows who the supreme commander on this file is and it ain't Colin.<br /><br />I suspect Colin does not even have the balls to even lift the lid without the approval of the Greatest Political Leader Of All Time.<br /><br />So as the BC Grit ship goes down by the bow Gordo will expect many a dumb grit to take a hit for his failures and political insanity.<br /><br />The GREAT SATANAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-90857824050513898962010-06-02T06:59:09.640-07:002010-06-02T06:59:09.640-07:00One of the statements I keep hearing from the peop...One of the statements I keep hearing from the people "in Favor " of this rip off is "how do you think we will pay for schooling and health care if there are no taxes"<br />I think this must be a spin delivered by the PAB because these people obviously have not been paying attention to what is happening to these programs over the last 10 years. This government has been systematically shutting the system down by taking monies away from the programs. Where they are putting that money we won't know until a new party is in government. And it all started with the giveaway of BC Rail.Gary Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10640964040603349900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-57103491412084712082010-06-02T05:55:54.014-07:002010-06-02T05:55:54.014-07:00Thank you Bill. A very helpful article.Thank you Bill. A very helpful article.Ronnoreply@blogger.com