tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post7606919720592951413..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: Brutal polling results show why Gordon Campbell & Carole James both faced revolt and forced resignationsBill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-83071455074864054962010-12-18T17:55:40.980-08:002010-12-18T17:55:40.980-08:00My apologies to Norm Farrell - I accidentally reje...My apologies to Norm Farrell - I accidentally rejected his comment when trying to publish it from my cell phone and the buttons are too close together on the screen!<br /><br />Here's what Norm intended to say:<br /><br />Norman Farrell:<br /><br />"90 days and ten bucks gets you a vote"<br /><br />But only approved vote results matter.Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-75570709268433523382010-12-18T16:52:00.411-08:002010-12-18T16:52:00.411-08:00I realize it is the holiday season and I hope you ...I realize it is the holiday season and I hope you are well. Now please get back to work. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-90093936979333335112010-12-18T14:41:50.301-08:002010-12-18T14:41:50.301-08:00The dancing is over as the Provincial Council has ...The dancing is over as the Provincial Council has decided on a day to vote for the new leader. And a Interim leader, well the date is not yet set. Its on the CBC on line news. 90 days and ten bucks gets you a voteDPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-13642606192872467352010-12-18T09:05:22.969-08:002010-12-18T09:05:22.969-08:00I'm curious about why Mario Canseco has such h...I'm curious about why Mario Canseco has such high value as a prognosticator.<br /><br />I've looked at his CV - he's not a statistician, he's a journalist.G Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09487763931438315174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-25425194905654887942010-12-17T18:06:44.292-08:002010-12-17T18:06:44.292-08:00A physical impossibility?
Baloney. All it takes i...A physical impossibility?<br /><br />Baloney. All it takes is enough budget. <br /><br />Sure, Elections BC has a lot on its plate right now - what with recalls going nowhere, and ramping up for the referendum, possibly in June. <br /><br />BUT, it should be no problem to have a general election around the time of the referendum and Craig James should prepare for such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-5412929332775048912010-12-17T12:32:57.096-08:002010-12-17T12:32:57.096-08:00Anono @ 3:50 and Mr. "physical impossibillity...Anono @ 3:50 and Mr. "physical impossibillity" <br /><br />Tell me how Puffy Stephen was able to drop a writ and implement a manipulated election within 28 effing days from coast to coast to coast to the border with the failing nation to our south. Get your head out of your nether parts please!<br /><br />If you hadn't noticed we live in a time of fast communications and transportation - it ain't horse and buggy days, except maybe in your minds!kootcoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11344208424209840730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-51546617793054185032010-12-16T20:53:20.720-08:002010-12-16T20:53:20.720-08:00You can lead a horse to water, but you can't m...You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.<br /><br /><br />BC Elections told the Legislature public accounts committee just weeks ago that they would need six months notice to hold a provincial general election.<br /><br /><br />Yet you still have people talking snap election, a physical impossibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-82152152906019474692010-12-16T20:20:31.075-08:002010-12-16T20:20:31.075-08:00Hopefully, someone at Elections BC is paying atten...Hopefully, someone at Elections BC is paying attention to this 'negotiation' and beginning to get their staff back into a state of election readiness. <br /><br />Ran into a former scrib who said the province seems headed for an Amor de Cosmos-type premier. Yeah, Christy!<br /><br />And you're all a bunch of bullies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-91832327001971087572010-12-16T18:42:55.691-08:002010-12-16T18:42:55.691-08:00Campbell and James are leaning to ward the stage e...Campbell and James are leaning to ward the stage exit, so let's move along and gear up to work to cut the new leader for the Libs down to size, <br />and a Interim leader for the NDP. A lot of people are expecting a snap election sooner than later , just after the Libs come up with someone. If the NDP inner circle are convinced there won't be a snap election, why is Dave Barrett writing folks asking for funds right now because" a snap election is a distinct possibility. Light a fire under the powers that be, get a interim leader right now and forge ahead for a new leader or its back to second place again for a party that seems a bit slow in sorting out issues.DPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-7092571774438603122010-12-16T15:50:10.694-08:002010-12-16T15:50:10.694-08:00@Kootcoot
ElectionsBC cannot physically do an imm...@Kootcoot<br /><br />ElectionsBC cannot physically do an immediate general election. <br /><br /><br />Their budgets were reduced when the fixed election date law came in, and they are no longer in a state of constant readiness. They simply could not do an immediate general election, or a province wide referendum, whether you like it or not.<br /><br /><br />It would take many, many months of increased budgets and hiring for them to be able to hold the event, plenty of advance warning for all other political parties and interest groups.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-10942253139781980122010-12-16T12:23:20.443-08:002010-12-16T12:23:20.443-08:00Bill, one more thing. According to Keith Baldrey, ...Bill, one more thing. According to Keith Baldrey, when Mustel asked who would make the best new NDP leader, Carole James ranked first.<br /><br />Can you imagine Campbell ranking first for the Libs in that poll? That would never happen.Tom Richardsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-34901602913561593532010-12-16T12:12:05.297-08:002010-12-16T12:12:05.297-08:00Elections BC Political Contributions System
Evi M...<b>Elections BC Political Contributions System</b><br /><br /><b>Evi Mustel</b> - President of the Mustel Group<br /><br />Total Contribution For This Search: $1,600.00 <br /><br />EVI MUSTEL - 2006/02/08 - $300.00 - BC LIBERAL PARTY<br /><br />EVI MUSTEL - 2007/02/12 - $300.00 - BC LIBERAL PARTY<br /><br />EVI MUSTEL - 2008/01/23 - $300.00 - BC LIBERAL PARTY<br /><br />EVI MUSTEL - 2008/05/27 - $350.00 - BC LIBERAL PARTY<br /><br />EVI MUSTEL - 2009/01/21 - $350.00 - BC LIBERAL PARTYPaulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-29175274169461030162010-12-16T11:47:35.222-08:002010-12-16T11:47:35.222-08:00“Her approval rating was usually higher than her d...“Her approval rating was usually higher than her disapproval rating but it switched in our November poll. And in our latest one, it’s eroded even further.”<br />---------------------<br /><br />Well it's obvious why her disapproval rating switched in the November Mustel sounding. The very public ejection of Bob Simpson from caucus and the fallout from that.<br /><br />And the further erosion in the latest Mustel poll was the fallout from the resignations of caucus chair and whip, the yellow scarves incident, and MLAs opposing James.<br /><br />Had James not ejected Bob Simpson from caucus the subsequent matters would likely never have occurred. <br /><br />Carole James would still be leader and would have similar previous positive personal approval ratings.Tom Richardsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-88521475670797601772010-12-16T11:09:17.494-08:002010-12-16T11:09:17.494-08:00"And it gets worse. What happened to the snap..."<i>And it gets worse. What happened to the snap election argument? BC Elections physically cannot do that, so that argument was a premeditated lie.</i>"<br /><br />How can people (even political people) keep repeating this obvious canard. Are all these people 10 years old or younger and can't remember when usually no one knew when an election would happen until the writ was dropped with a month to six weeks notice for Election Day.<br /><br />And don't tell me the world has turned on its axis since we've gone to the Yankee style (bad idea) "fixed" election date foolishness.<br />Perhaps you've forgetten (already) how our hero Puffy Stephen, leader of the Canadian Taliban, less than a year after declaring by fiat his own fixed election date (with a minority so-called government to boot), thought he saw his chance and called an federal election NATIONWIDE for 28 days hence. <br /><br />He even managed to work in some electoral manipulation on such short notice. Not only did he conveniently call the election for the day after Thanksgiving Weekend when many voters would be 1000's of kms from their polling station at grandma's house, but quietly changed the identification requirements so that many weren't allowed to vote even after driving across the country for the opportunity. <br /><br />Balderdash (don't get self conscious Keith) and hogwash!kootcoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11344208424209840730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-18900134448661075332010-12-16T09:46:32.035-08:002010-12-16T09:46:32.035-08:00...Buried at the bottom of today's Vancouver S...<i>...Buried at the bottom of today's Vancouver Scum report is the fact that James' dismal results are worse now, which proves that the Mustel poll has nothing to do with her resignation. To boot, it proves that James had little actual popular support. I think the NDP was, and is, in a Catch 22 situation, and at least now has some control over its fate due to the upcoming leadership race.</i><br /><br /><br /><br />The world of BC politics, where pre-packaged sophistry and self-fulfilling prophecies are the main items on offer. <br /><br /><br /><br />And it gets worse. What happened to the snap election argument? BC Elections physically cannot do that, so that argument was a premeditated lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-72331356415502743842010-12-16T08:50:16.455-08:002010-12-16T08:50:16.455-08:00To Bill at 10:52pm: I'll bet you that in the a...To Bill at 10:52pm: I'll bet you that in the alternate universe where Carole James didn't step down, the polling results would have been same or worse. Buried at the bottom of today's Vancouver Scum report is the fact that James' dismal results are worse now, which proves that the Mustel poll has nothing to do with her resignation. To boot, it proves that James had little actual popular support. I think the NDP was, and is, in a Catch 22 situation, and at least now has some control over its fate due to the upcoming leadership race.<br /><br />The BCLiberals are riding a wave of Bye-bye-Gordo and enthusiasm for their race, and the polls reflect this. If the NDP leadership candidates project charisma, a positive vision and a concrete and exciting set of ideas, the NDP will go up. Hope's not lost, yet.Sekrap Leahcimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-37541611349908830822010-12-16T08:49:34.709-08:002010-12-16T08:49:34.709-08:00And that's not what SCE Robbins says either, D...And that's not what SCE Robbins says either, Delia.cherylbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-22301188656420344272010-12-15T23:34:50.313-08:002010-12-15T23:34:50.313-08:00Bill, I just watched a spokesperson from Mustel on...Bill, I just watched a spokesperson from Mustel on Global say that the drop can be attributed to both Campbell's departure and the NDP's recent internal troubles. <br /><br />Personaly I think that's more likely than it being solely one or the other.NAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-46376586281218106132010-12-15T22:52:40.603-08:002010-12-15T22:52:40.603-08:00Not so fast Delia - you should read what Evi Muste...Not so fast Delia - you should read what Evi Mustel actually said:<br /><br /><br />The pollster cautioned that James’ resignation as party leader is likely not a major cause of the NDP’s slide in support among women. She noted that James and Campbell share the same dismal approval rating, just below 30 per cent, in the Mustel Group’s two recent polls.<br /><br /><br />“Her approval rating was usually higher than her disapproval rating but it switched in our November poll. And in our latest one, it’s eroded even further.”<br /> http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Liberals+have+five+point+lead+over+Mustel+poll/3984199/story.html#ixzz18FsCk64UBill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-22106432298035263162010-12-15T22:02:12.195-08:002010-12-15T22:02:12.195-08:00Liberals 41%
NDP 36%
That's what Carole James...Liberals 41%<br />NDP 36%<br /><br />That's what Carole James's opponents in the NDP have done. Gee, thanks!Delianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-87407868148336388072010-12-15T21:33:29.891-08:002010-12-15T21:33:29.891-08:00Ouch! Bummer, eh Christy?
http://www.robbinsscere...Ouch! Bummer, eh Christy?<br /><br />http://www.robbinssceresearch.com/polls/poll_758.htmlcherylbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-91249659464250020502010-12-15T21:30:34.592-08:002010-12-15T21:30:34.592-08:00Had it gone to a leadership review and Carole Jame...<i>Had it gone to a leadership review and Carole James had survived it, you would have said the margin wasn't high enough. There was always a plan B.</i><br /><br /><br />The long term game plan may be to do a full take down of the NDP in preparation for a new party around 2015, a kind of Vision BC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-80140993327821814442010-12-15T19:33:01.102-08:002010-12-15T19:33:01.102-08:00Bill says:
Hmmmm - should we give more weight to t...Bill says:<br /><i>Hmmmm - should we give more weight to the opinion of someone who has been successfully involved in several significant provincial and other campaigns or .... Anonymous?</i><br /><br />But Bill does not want us to give weight to the opinion of people who have experience in bringing down fractured, tired governments, such as Paul Ramsey, Moe Sihota and Mike Harcourt. Rather, he thinks we should listen to the likes of Bob Williams, whose legacy (near as I can figure) consists chiefly of bringing down NDP leaders.<br /><br />Bill, you should please just drop the pretense. You didn't like Carole James and you and your friends were going to do whatever it took to bring her down, no matter the cost. This is why, when Provincial Council voted you down, you called it illegitimate or some such thing (despite Corky Evans lauding the democratic-ness of the institution). Had it gone to a leadership review and Carole James had survived it, you would have said the margin wasn't high enough. There was always a plan B.<br /><br />I'm still waiting for the democratic justification of this. I keep hearing this "end justifies the means" defence - claiming that she was a bad leader or didn't have the support or some other rationalization - but I have yet to read or hear anyone make a rational argument about why it's okay to tramp all over the party's procedures to do it now.<br /><br />Who knows? Maybe history will judge you favorably. Me, I'd be happy if you'd give up the rationalization and fess up to the fact that you were gunning for her and nothing was going to stop you.Tony Martinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-3865335018024568932010-12-15T16:38:46.306-08:002010-12-15T16:38:46.306-08:00BC people, will not forget Harper's part in th...BC people, will not forget Harper's part in the HST, come next Federal Election time, he is a snake in the grass. We all know, Campbell is working for Harper. It seems, Canada has produced the worst politicians ever known. Corruption and greed is what governs. Canadians are really getting fed up, with the corruption, in every corner of the country. BC of course, is the most corrupt province in Canada. Campbell gets all of his corrupt friends, to do his dirty work for him. The lies, threats, and the low characters, of these stupid, pathetic people, boggle the mind. BC people, see through all of them. It's time to have a new party, that will not condone corruption. A party that will try and salvage, what Campbell hasn't yet destroyed, and try to repair, what Campbell has ruined. The judicial system, the RCMP, need to be cleaned up. We need to stop, giving Banks, mines, big business, gas and oil company's, billions of our tax dollars. They are, disgusting, bottomless pits of greed. They all lined up at the trough, squealing for the HST as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-4210044926843668482010-12-15T14:52:34.063-08:002010-12-15T14:52:34.063-08:00Who is going to lead the NDP?
And more importantl...<i>Who is going to lead the NDP?<br /><br />And more importantly, what are they gonna do?</i><br /><br /><br /><br />Who? Someone who is not afraid of extreme politics, someone who craves the rush of being in a very high risk situation.<br /><br /><br />Gonna do? Get replaced, sooner or later, most likely sooner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com