tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post7166422103855200681..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: Elections BC rejects Recall application to remove BC Liberal MLA Ida Chong as "too wordy" by counting MLA as 5 words!Bill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-16814075567596855892010-12-01T12:55:13.428-08:002010-12-01T12:55:13.428-08:00There were two excellent members, of Elections BC,...There were two excellent members, of Elections BC, who were shoved out. Campbell installed one of his toads. An "acting" Elections officer, changing the wording of Elections BC, after the recall was submitted??? Mr. James, you are a man, after Campbell's own heart. However, if push comes to shove, Campbell will not hesitate to, cut your throat, as he did to Basi and Virk. You are already in enough trouble, because of Campbell. I have no understanding of why anyone, would destroy their careers, for the likes of Campbell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-74291255209621417982010-11-30T14:19:44.724-08:002010-11-30T14:19:44.724-08:00" If Campbell sells out BC Hydro to foreigner..." If Campbell sells out BC Hydro to foreigners that could be an act of TREASON carried out by a psycho."<br /><br />That's comical. Treason in a legal sense can only be done against an entire nation, not a province. <br /><br />There isn't any policy about selling BC Hydro to forigners.<br /><br />Strange how there's no concern if ICBC was sold off in pieces to private insurers or private insurers were allowed to sell basic complusory insurance in competition with ICBC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-35317633397992096622010-11-29T14:05:52.442-08:002010-11-29T14:05:52.442-08:00If a Liberal gov is re-elected all their corruptio...If a Liberal gov is re-elected all their corruption and criminal actions will be kept under the carpet .BC taxpayers will never know and the right wing news outlets,who are on the corporate payroll will be told to keep it quiet. We are not Danny Williams fans but he is leaving politics properly. <br /> In BC it's like the warden(Campbell)giving his inmates a new cell to handle their business. Anyone voting for or supporting this gov prefers corruption over honesty.<br /> Newfoundland,Labrador,and PEI?are putting together a Hydro package that I assume will be carried out by Canadians for Canadians. If Campbell sells out BC Hydro to foreigners that could be an act of TREASON carried out by a psycho.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-7508777801151919542010-11-29T10:44:30.504-08:002010-11-29T10:44:30.504-08:00Craig James can't count over 200, that's w...Craig James can't count over 200, that's why he changed the Elections BC wording"<br /><br />Wrong. The maximum number of words (200) is set by the Legislation, not by the Acting Chief Electoral Officer. The Legislation was passsed by the NDP, and the 200 word maximum is clearly written into information sheets and the brochure about the process.<br /><br />It's comical that a few people can't understand what "maximimum" is and then try to write something that is 100 to 130 words which allows for more room.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-70203418425592506992010-11-29T09:43:32.036-08:002010-11-29T09:43:32.036-08:00I for one am not surprised, Campbell and James tam...I for one am not surprised, Campbell and James tampered with words, from Elections BC. Remember, the FOI papers were tampered with. Don't forget what De Jong did regarding, Campbell's corrupt sale of the BCR. Can you imagine, having De Jong or Colin Hansen as premier? The BC Liberal party, is a party of such disgrace, it should be abolished. The good people of BC are, absolutely ashamed of them. Global TV had a program, where teachers said, our BC children are so hungry, they are unable to do their school work. Shame on Harper, for perpetuating, Campbell's treatment, of our hungry BC children. We will not forget this, nor, his part in the HST, come Federal Election time. Canada, has produced the worst crop of politicians, ever remembered in our country. It's the greed and corruption, that governs, this entire country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-87088145914018450002010-11-28T19:19:27.424-08:002010-11-28T19:19:27.424-08:00Ok folks. Lots of reasons to hate C. James, but wh...Ok folks. Lots of reasons to hate C. James, but what he did is no longer the big issue here. The big issue is that Ida is due to be under the recall gun as soon as the latest application is approved. Now that the word counts etc have been thrashed out, the next recall should be much more smoothly done. When the house finally gets up and running, will be the time for the committee to approve a new person. James says he won't be on the list of applicants. Yes we figure the recall has been sidetracked for awhile, and yes it means more work time and effort for the folks to refile. And yes, we have all no doubt learned a few things about the meaning of the word( one word) manipulation, or possibly different ways to count. And of course we feel shafted by a system. I too want to see the back of Ida and others as they exit stage right. The opposition can and no doubt will, make the apparent manipulation an issue during the house sitting.DPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-19451636564652615872010-11-28T19:14:52.220-08:002010-11-28T19:14:52.220-08:00The cbc has still disabled comments on all stories...The cbc has still disabled comments on all stories. Has anyone heard why yet? I heard a rumor that they were updating their webpageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-55021567720610750982010-11-28T17:56:56.656-08:002010-11-28T17:56:56.656-08:00Craig James can't count over 200, that's w...Craig James can't count over 200, that's why he changed the Elections BC wording. Hence, James fits right in Campbell's asylum. You would have to be a lunatic, to work for Campbell. It's a requirement, none of the BC Liberal ministers or mla's, are allowed to have a mind of their own. If you can imagine? They all support Campbell's treatment of our BC children, who are so hungry, they can't even do their school work. Way to go BC Lib, ministers and mla's, you will be in the history books, as the stupidest politicians, ever known in Canada, for your support of a monster. No decent person I know, would ever sell their souls, to a ogre, or let a child go hungry. So much for the best place to live. BC has the highest number, of children living in poverty. Take pride, all of you BC Liberals. This is your finest hour. We are aware of Campbell's dirty tactics. That is what, all of you deserve a medal for. Hungry children, can't fight a filthy monster like Campbell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-68165970042325207542010-11-28T14:00:08.066-08:002010-11-28T14:00:08.066-08:00The word counting is just the vehicle - the abuse ...The word counting is just the vehicle - the abuse of process is the way this has been handled and that's exactly the same MO James used when he refused to send the petition to the legislative committee forthwith because of a forthcoming court challenge.<br /><br />The man is either incompetent or he's a tool of the BC Liberals - I suggest everyone make the effort to 'read' his letter to John Horgan before they come to a conclusion about exactly what he is.<br /><br />You can find the letter here:<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/2f4kx2o<br /><br />Click on 'Letter to John Horgan' at the bottom of that item.Full disclosurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-4178298380138472072010-11-28T10:44:08.794-08:002010-11-28T10:44:08.794-08:00The point is, in my view, that Craig James has no ...The point is, in my view, that Craig James has no claim to impartiality - which would be the case if he had been appointed 'Chief Electoral Officer'.<br /><br />That would mean that had been vetted by a Special Committee appointed to select an new chief - the committee must, by law, have the UNANIMOUS agreement of the committee's members - who are chose from both parties in the legislature.<br /><br />On James's part nothing similar can be claimed because:<br />a. He neither applied formally for the job nor was he vetted by 'any' committee (see section 9 of the ACT), and;<br />b. He WAS chosen solely by the Executive Committee - that is the Cabinet - who are, as we have seen, hardly capable of claiming to be impartial themselves, and therefore;<br />c. This is reflected in James's own words in a letter he wrote to MLA John Horgan - his allegiance is not to the job nor to his duties as acting chief - but to the Speaker of the House and to the House leader of the Government side.<br /><br />As is always the case in matters such as the above - 'Justice must not only be done - it must appear to be done'<br /><br /><br />There is NO appearance of Justice in either James's appointment or in his actions as acting chief electoral officer.G Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09487763931438315174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-69633858431502206112010-11-28T07:00:19.288-08:002010-11-28T07:00:19.288-08:00Yep, Craig James is making it up as he goes along ...Yep, Craig James is making it up as he goes along for sure. But is FightHST also? What gives, could they have honestly bungled this Recall Statement so badly by accident? First of all, I got the same count as nruff in the 1997 Skeena petition at 201 with James' "rules" and who knows what method of counting they used because it was never mentioned and maybe they didn't even count or just estimated it as being close. Only Craig James seems to think democracy revolves around counting words.<br /> <br />But I checked the FightHST website. Or is it Fight HST or Fight-HST? We'll get back to that. According to the response, James never issued a total word count or specifically said it was rejected because of the "words" MLA and HST although those were among the post word policy factors. So lets look at that word count :<br /> <br />170 regular words + 6 uses of the proper names Gordon, Ida and Chong and the abbreviation Ms is a basic total of 177. Then there are various acronyms (BC, HST and MLA) appearing a total of 10 times, 7 instances of numbers and 4 hyphenated "words" : re-elected, Fight-HST, anti-HST and Bay-Gordon (part of Oak Bay-Gordon Head which was in the statement twice but only hyphenated once). I think we can agree that re-elected is 1 word and Bay-Gordon should be counted as 2. That brings us to 177 + 10 + 7 + 3 = 197 and the status of Fight-HST and anti-HST still must be established.<br /> <br />Of course there is no such word as FightHST except as the name of a tax revolt group and on their own website they clearly in all press releases refer to themselves as Fight HST, no space, no hyphen, two separate words (198, 199) and similarly with anti also being a word it follows that anti-HST is at least two words (200, 201)<br /> <br />That's without even counting BC as 2, HST as 3 and MLA as 5 which would have been an extra 26 words by the way. Oh, and if you want to vehemently argue about anti-HST because you're desperate to save a word, we haven't yet counted the dollar sign that was used in place of a word or even considered the 8 extra words in the numbers.<br /> <br />According to The Vancouver Sun, "Fight HST says the application came in at 180 words. Elections BC will not say what the word count was before acronyms were spelled out." So it appears that whoever was in charge of preparing this statement was either completely out to lunch or deliberately mangled it so they could be tripped up on a stupid technicality and after being delayed in this rush, time sensitive campaign have an excuse for their failure. Don't forget it's not as important in politics to do the right thing as it is to blame someone else when things go wrong.Cariboo Carlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-15692907747956123222010-11-28T04:50:27.096-08:002010-11-28T04:50:27.096-08:00Craig James has just cut the heart out of democrac...Craig James has just cut the heart out of democracy. What little of it that was left limping along during the Campbell era is now completely been put to death. After that, like a true coward, he scuttled off to the other institution known as Ottawa to hang out with his brethren, the Harperits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-54976622374759897822010-11-28T04:15:30.177-08:002010-11-28T04:15:30.177-08:00G West, good to see you back. You may have missed...G West, good to see you back. You may have missed my last message for you because I was busy, took me a while to respond and then of course all hell broke loose in both the Liberal and NDP parties prompting several articles from Bill. Anyway, it's there if you want to read it.Uselessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-16018210617671197482010-11-27T23:31:52.276-08:002010-11-27T23:31:52.276-08:00Doesn't this mean Craig James appointment was ...Doesn't this mean Craig James appointment was signed under the hand of Mike De Jong.......<br /><br />Approved and Ordered June 4, 2010<br /><br />ORDER IN COUNCIL 313<br /><br />Ministry Responsible: <b>ATTORNEY GENERAL</b><br /><br />Statutory Authority: Election, s. 9 (2) (a)<br /><br />Effective June 5, 2010, Craig James is appointed acting Chief Electoral Officer.<br /><br />http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/oic/2010/RESUME16.HTM<br />=======================================<br /><br />"Committee Activity<br /><br />On May 6, 2010, the Legislative Assembly established a Special Committee to Appoint a Chief Electoral Officer to recommend a Chief Electoral Officer, as the incumbent’s term expired on June 5. Craig James, Clerk Assistant and Clerk of Committees of the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, has temporarily been appointed Acting Chief Electoral Officer until a permanent appointment is found." <br />http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/LOP/Infoparl/english/issue.asp?param=199&art=1403<br />===================================<br /><br /><b>Hon. M. de Jong</b>: I have two <br /><br />Snip<br /><br />The second relates to the work of the committee of selection charged with the task of recommending the appointment of a Chief Electoral Officer. Members will know that that work has not been completed thus far, and there is no recommendation from that committee. Pending the completion of that work, it will be necessary to ensure that an acting Chief Electoral Officer is in place to oversee the important responsibilities of that office.<br /><br />I wanted to take the opportunity to advise the members here before we depart that the Clerk of Committees, Mr. Craig James, <b>has agreed</b> on a temporary basis to serve as acting Chief Electoral Officer for British Columbia. He <b>has agreed to serve</b> in an acting capacity until such time as a permanent Chief Electoral Officer has been appointed. He <b>will not be applying for the position of Chief Electoral Officer</b>, and at the conclusion of his time as acting CEO, he will be returning to the Clerk's table, where he has served this Legislature with distinction for almost 25 years.<br /><br /><b>I thought members would like to know that</b>, and we are grateful to Mr. James for fulfilling that function on a <b>temporary basis.</b>" <br />http://www.leg.bc.ca/hansard/39th2nd/h00603p.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-80989064950989878702010-11-27T21:58:08.634-08:002010-11-27T21:58:08.634-08:00Paul: You need to look at Section 9 - that`s the o...Paul: You need to look at Section 9 - that`s the one that covers the appointment of an acting chief electoral officer...<br /><br />Section 4 doesn`t apply...Craig James was appointed under Section 9 (note 9 (2) a)<br /><br />I`ll quote it below:<br />Acting chief electoral officer<br />9 (1) On the recommendation of the Legislative Assembly in any of the following circumstances, the Lieutenant Governor must appoint an acting chief electoral officer:<br /><br />(a) the office of chief electoral officer is vacant;<br />(b) the chief electoral officer appointed under section 4 is suspended;<br />(c) the chief electoral officer appointed under section 4 is temporarily absent because of illness or another reason.<br />(2) The Lieutenant Governor in Council may appoint an acting chief electoral officer in any of the following circumstances:<br />(a) the office of chief electoral officer is or becomes vacant when the Legislative Assembly is not sitting;<br />(b) the chief electoral officer appointed under section 4 is suspended when the Legislative Assembly is not sitting;<br />(c) the chief electoral officer is removed or suspended or the office of the chief electoral officer becomes vacant when the Legislative Assembly is sitting, but no recommendation is made by the Legislative Assembly under subsection (1) or section 4 before the end of the session;<br />(d) the chief electoral officer appointed under section 4 is temporarily absent because of illness or another reason.<br />(3) An acting chief electoral officer holds office until the earliest of the following:<br />(a) a new chief electoral officer is appointed under section 4;<br />(b) the suspension of the chief electoral officer ends;<br />(c) the chief electoral officer returns to office after the temporary absence;<br />(d) in the case of an acting chief electoral officer appointed under subsection (2), when an acting chief electoral officer is appointed under subsection (1);<br />(e) at the end of 30 sitting days after the start of the next session of the Legislative Assembly.<br />(4) An individual may be reappointed as acting chief electoral officer in accordance with this section.<br /><br /><br />Not much anyone - including Carole James - can do about this as long as the legislature is NOT in session.<br /><br />However, the fact that James was appointed by the LG in C (the Cabinet) and not the Legislature on the unanimous recommendation of the Committee DOES SAY A LOT ABOUT HIS supposed impartiality and loyalty...<br /><br />In fact, Craig James has had a cozy relationship with the Speaker and it shows!G Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09487763931438315174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-18485776621988357432010-11-27T20:19:02.780-08:002010-11-27T20:19:02.780-08:00I have done the comparative analysis of the 1997 S...I have done the comparative analysis of the 1997 Skeena petition mentioned by 'nruff' above.<br /><br />Using ' MLA', which appears twice, I get 194 words.<br /><br />Using 'Member of the Legislative Assembly', I get 202 words. <br /><br />The analysis can be found <a href="http://pacificgazette.blogspot.com/2010/11/recall-o-ramaelections-bcs-changing.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a><br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-64424047773959033582010-11-27T19:46:50.982-08:002010-11-27T19:46:50.982-08:00Has anyone else noticed that the cbc has disabled ...Has anyone else noticed that the cbc has disabled comments on all stories? It seems as though comments on old stories cannot be seen either. Has anyone heard why?<br /><br />By the way - I feel Bill T could teach Gandhi a thing or two about patience, open mindedness, and never losing your cool. Your stability is appreciated at times like this when it is so easy to get really angry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-79395093863063569352010-11-27T18:06:11.384-08:002010-11-27T18:06:11.384-08:00ELECTION ACT (Current to November 17, 2010)
[RSBC...<b>ELECTION ACT</b> (Current to November 17, 2010)<br /><br />[RSBC 1996] CHAPTER 106<br />Part 2 — Election and Other Officials<br />Division 1 — Chief Electoral Officer<br /><br /><b>Appointment of chief electoral officer</b><br /><br /><b>4</b> (1) On the recommendation of the Legislative Assembly, the Lieutenant Governor must appoint as Chief Electoral Officer an individual who has been unanimously recommended for the appointment by a special Committee of the Legislative Assembly.<br /><br /><b> Impartiality</b><br /><br /><b>5</b> (1) Before beginning to perform the duties of office, the chief electoral officer must make a solemn declaration before the Clerk of the Legislative Assembly to faithfully and impartially exercise the powers and perform the duties of office.<br /><br /><b>3</b> The chief electoral officer must not<br /><br />(a) hold another office or engage in other employment<br /><br /><b>Resignation, removal or suspension</b><br /><br /><b>8</b> (2) On the recommendation of the Legislative Assembly based on cause or incapacity, the Lieutenant Governor must, in accordance with the recommendation,<br /><br />(a) suspend the chief electoral officer, with or without salary, or<br /><br />(b) remove the chief electoral officer from office.<br /><br />(3) If the Legislative Assembly is not sitting, the Lieutenant Governor in Council may suspend the chief electoral officer, with or without salary, for cause or incapacity.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/ID/freeside/96106_02" rel="nofollow">Election Act Link!</a><br /><b>-----</b><br /><b>Where are you Carole James?</b><br /><br />Where is your anger these days?<br /><br />Where was your anger during last years election?<br /><br /><b>Carole James</b> (Nov 20): "<i>I am drawing a line in the sand.</i>"<br /><br /><i>"It’s time now to say, 'Enough.'"</i><br /><br />It seems that Carole James gets angry only when her own job is threatened.<br /><br /><b>Carole James</b> (Nov 20): "<i>Some members in our caucus have disagreed with me as leader and do not support me.</i>"<br /><br />The BC Liberal Party supports Carole James though.<br /><br />She lost the last two elections to Gordon Campbell.<br /><br />The BC Liberal Party loves her to death.<br /><br />On the leadership question, this months Mustel poll puts her <b>only 1 point</b> ahead of Gordon Campbell, the most unpopular premier in BC history.<br /><br />They love her to death alright.<br /><br />When's the last time anyone heard a Liberal MLA criticize Carole James?Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-44949265110251269592010-11-27T11:53:01.575-08:002010-11-27T11:53:01.575-08:00I think Mr. James had better keep, Basi and Virk i...I think Mr. James had better keep, Basi and Virk in mind. Campbell never does his own dirty work, he gets people like Mr. James to do it for him. If James goes down, for tampering with BC Elections. Campbell will not hesitate, to call James a criminal, who acted with out his knowledge, Campbell will cut Mr. James throat. There are stupid people, who sell their souls, to the devil Campbell. Beware Mr. James!!! Campbell hand picked you for this, dirty job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-6438935140591452712010-11-26T21:25:32.526-08:002010-11-26T21:25:32.526-08:00I just wish I was surprised, or shocked,or disappo...I just wish I was surprised, or shocked,or disappointed with the process. <br /><br />Unfortunately after all this time living under such a corrupt regime it is no more than I expected. How sad is that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-15027105614367725012010-11-26T20:44:11.957-08:002010-11-26T20:44:11.957-08:00Angry appalled kinda scared I cant find the words ...Angry appalled kinda scared I cant find the words to explain<br />where do i sign to have mr james de- throned, maybe we should be sending a signed petion to the rcmp to launch a criminal investigation in to elections bcBethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-48147611143445439402010-11-26T20:09:52.692-08:002010-11-26T20:09:52.692-08:00@ nruff said
Where can we see that Skeena petitio...@ nruff said<br /><br />Where can we see that Skeena petition?cosmicsyncnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-3793698994426024342010-11-26T17:22:28.569-08:002010-11-26T17:22:28.569-08:00Unbelievable? No, I don't think so. I was fl...Unbelievable? No, I don't think so. I was flabbergasted and speechless when I first read about it but this was a Liberal appointee taking an all too typical position on a BC political matter. Petty is the best word to describe Craig James ruling (if it didn't come from the Liberal cabinet itself) but not unbelievable. Not in Liberal BC.<br /><br />This decision angers me more than the HST, more than the way it was introduced and more than Liberal MLAs (sorry that's Members of the Legislative Assembly for you PAB writers) not fighting Campell and Hansen on behalf of their constituents. How do we go about recalling Craig James?Gantrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-62093068770908226542010-11-26T15:03:30.648-08:002010-11-26T15:03:30.648-08:00OT but Christy Clark taking next week off to "...OT but Christy Clark taking next week off to "think about it" (just on CKNW).<br /><br />Wow. B.C.'s own Sarah Palin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-14879877802347553922010-11-26T14:55:00.470-08:002010-11-26T14:55:00.470-08:00From the word counting document of EBS's websi...From the word counting document of EBS's website:<br /><br />"Subject to the standard on hyphenated terms above, numerals are to be<br />spelled out in words before calculating the number of words<br /> e.g. “85” is two words (eighty-five)<br /> e.g. “one hundred” is two words<br /> e.g. “twenty-three” is two words<br /> e.g. “2010” is three words (two thousand ten)"<br /><br />Another bogus reason the word count was over in the petition.<br /><br />Craig James needs to resign over this. Rules after the fact? I don't think so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com