tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post6984611600300630430..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: Defence ordered by BC Supreme Court to return all Basi-Virk disclosed evidence to police for destructionBill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-31235370297982298542011-03-17T16:42:50.426-07:002011-03-17T16:42:50.426-07:00Anonymous said...
Oddly bloggers here were happy w...Anonymous said...<br />Oddly bloggers here were happy with the court system when things went the way they wanted, but never like the justice system when things don't go their way.<br /><br />10:53 AM PDT<br /><br /><br />Its not odd at all. All I want, and can't seem to get. is an open and honest system. The far-right don't believe in government, good or bad. They want to do away with government, regulations, etc., in favour of a "free market". (The only free market I know of is in Haiti and look what that has given them.) The far-right entered politics with a vengeance to get rid of government. Look at Reagan, Thatcher, Bush and yes good old evangelical Harper. They want to reduce the size of government and to give big tax breaks to the rich.<br /><br />I and maybe "we" want a fair deal - let the courts let the people see those BC Rail docs. What's so scary? Let me tell you what keeps democracy alive is openness. Let us see the docs. Anyone with an ounce of conscience would make sure those docs see the light of day no matter what. I can see all kinds of ways of doing that without falling into contempt of court. Mistakes happen every day. If we can't rely on the courts or the police then good people have to help justice along. The big entertainment companies that had the right to those docs did us all a big disservice. But they are entertainment companies and the ownership of those companies are concentrated in the hands of one family. As someone said, freedom of the press is guaranteed only if you own one.<br /><br />The Harper regime is bound and determined to spend us into debt so that no one can govern or provide us with essential services. They give tax breaks to the rich and buy ridiculously expensive airplanes. For what purpose - to ruin government. Its the Harper government after all!<br /><br />So its not odd. We cheer good judgements and bemoan bad ones. Its not partisan to want justice. But I'm not afraid to be partisan because the choices are clear - Christy and her style of "openness" and a BC Rail Inquiry to start with. Let's clean house Christy and what about one in five kids in poverty in BC. Oh, yeah, I know - they shouldn't have had kids. Yes, let's increase immigration. That will make the right wing happy (irony here).Outsourced againnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-59293379689835290732011-03-17T10:53:04.951-07:002011-03-17T10:53:04.951-07:00b"ut having been a skier for more than 30 yea...b"ut having been a skier for more than 30 years I know a good snow job when I see one."<br /><br />Big difference between being a skier and being a lawyer.Oddly bloggers here were happy with the court system when things went the way they wanted, but never like the justice system when things don't go their way.<br /><br />Not odd after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-70267400901161152722011-03-16T16:58:33.966-07:002011-03-16T16:58:33.966-07:00I've now have had time to read the MacKenzie d...I've now have had time to read the MacKenzie decision .. all I can say is WOW ... what a twisted piece of tortured logic that is ... in MacKenzie's defense: I am not a lawyer, but having been a skier for more than 30 years I know a good snow job when I see one.<br /><br />Any lawyers out there care to share their thoughts (anonymously of course)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-59364782932698030512011-03-16T14:33:59.064-07:002011-03-16T14:33:59.064-07:00The decision by Associate Chief Justice Anne MacKe...The decision by Associate Chief Justice Anne MacKenzie is now available.<br /><br />Citation: R. v. Basi, 2011 BCSC 314<br />Date: 20110315<br />Docket: 23299<br />Registry: Vancouver<br /><br /><a href="http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/11/03/2011BCSC0314.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/11/03/2011BCSC0314.htm</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-28982065232703288422011-03-16T12:56:15.539-07:002011-03-16T12:56:15.539-07:00Can't this go to the Court of Appeal? And fail...Can't this go to the Court of Appeal? And failing that, to the Supreme Court of Canada?<br /><br />It can. But you have to get your lawyer to file yourself (on behalf of "The People of British Columbia"). <br /><br />You pay the fees.<br /><br />Good luck, and let us know how you make out. Be sure to make it something on the 6 PM news so we can see you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-46323586784598094762011-03-16T12:19:06.740-07:002011-03-16T12:19:06.740-07:00Very interesting last night as I was watching Know...Very interesting last night as I was watching Knowledge Network,(B.C. Public Television) I was wondering about such an odd, apparent connection between the Daniel Ellsberg decision to release The Pentagon Papers in the 1970's in the United States and the situation that is presently before the people in the province of B.C. since 2003 to 2011.<br /><br />This program discussed;Information hidden from the general public, some individuals that hold onto conscience instead of "going along with the official message" and on the other side those who put career ahead of conscience and buy the lie.<br />I was particularly taken with the integrity of The New York Times, The Washington Post and 15 other newspapers from one side of the continent to the other. These newspapers published the leaked information that revealed the clandestine planning around the war in Vietnam.<br />I was amazed as well in the one individual congressman who did a filibuster marathon of 1 person reading the papers aloud into the congress record.He just kept reading it aloud... <br />Integrity and bravery to be admired.<br />I hadn't realized until recently how fragile are the democratic freedoms of the average person.<br />Thank-you, Knowledge Network for this wonderful documentary aired on Tues. March 15th,2011. I was glad to see that Daniel (in the lion's den) Ellsberg and his supporters put this fine piece of journalism into the public domain as record. To be sure (as the credits at the end reveal) he had funding from supporter individuals and supporter foundations who believe in the right of the public to know what elected representatives are doing.<br /><br />It seems to me that this story in B.C. is also worthy of documentation,in some way or another and should be available for attention around the province much like the Fight HST movement made the COMPLETE STORY available to the population of the province. Too many questions still no answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-9983544730418369652011-03-16T11:18:02.989-07:002011-03-16T11:18:02.989-07:00Came across some old news yesterday while searchin...Came across some old news yesterday while searching wrongful dismissal - another big payout by Gordo's government to shut someone up. I'm sure BC Mary reported on it when it happened but it made me think of all the wrongful dismissal and other law suits that surround the leg raids and BC Rail. I wonder how much the public has paid for settlements and legal fees connected to this dirty, deceitful buisness. And Ms. Clark doesn't want a public enquiry. Of course not!<br /><br />A brief reminder of Dalstrom: a veteran VPD investigator, working on "project phoenix" - yes THAT project phoenix. He was gotten rid of and so sued for wrongful dismissal. He got - wait for it - a 2 MILLION dollar out of court settlement! The explanation was that VPD was having some sort of "turf war" with the RCMP and duking it out with Dalstrom in court might jeopardize the investigation. RIIIGGHHHT. The investigation nobody was ever prosecuted for. RIIIIIIGGGHHHT. <br /><br />"The Province contributed $550,000 to the settlement; the OCABC paid $750,000 plus the salary and benefits portions." 2 MILLION for a guy with a salary around $100 thou a year!!! Wow. I want that kinda severance! <br /><br />So 2MILL for Dalstrom, 6 MILLION & counting to scumbags Basi & Virk. Wasn't there a Victoria cop too who got screwed over and then a wrongful dismissal suit launched by an exec at BC Rail arguing that he was actually fired for refusing to cooperate with the board's plan to run BC Rail into the ground?<br /><br />Full article on Dalstrom is here: <br />http://www.greggowe.com/content/former-vancouver-police-officer-obtains-2-million-out-court-settlement-wrongful-dismissal-caAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-40419250352121535592011-03-16T10:27:17.525-07:002011-03-16T10:27:17.525-07:00Please someone with that info, copy it, keep it. B...Please someone with that info, copy it, keep it. Be willing to face jail for disobeying a court order that is not in the public interest. One day the time will be right and we will need it. The RCMP are not keeping it. Look at all the evidence that had already been ordered destroyed by Campbell et al! Citizens who have access, who are being asked to help these criminals hide their crimes need to do what they can to preserve the documentation for that time when it will surely be needed. <br /><br />Or wikileaks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-47323225320292308362011-03-16T10:11:35.728-07:002011-03-16T10:11:35.728-07:00So we're back to this now?
Where are the sto...So we're back to this now?<br /><br />Where are the stories and blogging about the NDP Leadership??<br /><br />Seems alot of blog space here was devoted to the BC Liberal Leadership, and very little for the NDP one.<br /><br />The NDP is around 30 days out from the end of it and there has to be stories or things happening.<br /><br />Or is the NDP leadership boring?<br /><br />Perhaps Bill can explain why Adrian seems to be the only one with tax and spend policies??<br /><br />Mike Farnworth for leader!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-10054241055517469192011-03-16T09:38:41.016-07:002011-03-16T09:38:41.016-07:00Well we know, Christy and her brother Bruce, were ...Well we know, Christy and her brother Bruce, were involved in, Campbell's corrupt sale of the BCR. Of course, Campbell is fighting tooth and nail, to stay out of prison.<br /><br />This sinks the BC Liberals. BC citizens already, didn't trust Christy Clark, now she has betrayed the citizens trust, exactly the same way Campbell did. BC citizens, are not going to forget this dirty tactic. I don't know if, we are living in a fascist regime, or a communist regime. But, we certainly live in a dictatorship. Campbell is a criminal, and belongs in prison, as do, everyone else involved in that crime. <br /><br />Campbell is corrupt. The judicial system is corrupt. So are the RCMP, they have established themselves, pro Campbell every inch of the way. Of course, we can't trust the RCMP. Look at their crimes, that our corrupt judicial system, swept under the carpet for them. Elections BC is corrupt. The FOI is tampered with. The media, is Campbell's propaganda machine. <br /><br />Don't even think Campbell is leaving. He will be steering Christy from the back bench. That, we can already see. Nothing will change. Christy is just as corrupt as Campbell is. Dirty tactics, have already started in Christy's sick regime. The judicial system, has shown their dirty hands and faces, yet again. Same old, same old, BC Liberal crap.<br /><br />We BC citizens, must never, never allow the corrupt, evil BC Liberals to govern our province, ever again. Is BC fated to be, forever governed by criminals?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-68176502146948822402011-03-16T09:25:06.602-07:002011-03-16T09:25:06.602-07:00So, we're to trust the RCMP not to destroy the...So, we're to trust the RCMP not to destroy the documents according to the lead investigator of the BC Rail trial...Right!<br /><br />Is that rather like we're supposed to believe that MacKenzie wasn't put there to do the job she did? That Bennett was so inept she had to be removed - publicly, and rather embarrassingly to my way of thinking.<br /><br />Something stinks! March 5th - Judge orders return of all documents for destruction.<br />March 13th - BC's top cop and overseer of the BC Rail trial decides to retire. (Gary Bass)<br />March 15th - Campbell finally steps down.<br /><br />What were they waiting for? MacKenzie to show them the job was done? All's well that ends well?<br /><br />Well...it ain't done! As a matter of fact, now more than a few of us are getting damn mad! It's one thing to be ripped off by one's government - it's another thing entirely to see our Justice system raped, and laid to waste like a common trollop. This is NOT over.Leahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-77615813786276655122011-03-15T23:11:48.535-07:002011-03-15T23:11:48.535-07:00I remember a case where a person charged with an i...I remember a case where a person charged with an income tax crime was ordered to provide the relevant documents to an appropriate government office. He loaded boxes of evidence into his car and drove it to the government office. Unfortunately, on the way the car was broken into when the man stopped at a coffee shop. Everything was stolen. I forget what happened to the case, but the government had no documents to proceed with. I don't know why I thought of that occurrence. I guess it was just after I thought of wikileaks again.Outsourced againnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-91596024464234561462011-03-15T22:08:30.011-07:002011-03-15T22:08:30.011-07:00The NDP is busy doing an enquiry on candidate Face...The NDP is busy doing an enquiry on candidate Facebook accounts....save for one candidate that is....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-9338026588512686772011-03-15T22:04:02.482-07:002011-03-15T22:04:02.482-07:00What ever happened to "Jake"What ever happened to "Jake"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-22416029520043039632011-03-15T21:31:07.820-07:002011-03-15T21:31:07.820-07:00Where is the NDP on this issue? Why haven't t...Where is the NDP on this issue? Why haven't they been in court demanding public transparency over these docs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-40186563818413345252011-03-15T21:18:37.903-07:002011-03-15T21:18:37.903-07:00Can't this go to the Court of Appeal? And fai...Can't this go to the Court of Appeal? And failing that, to the Supreme Court of Canada?<br /><br />ACJ Mackenzie's "parachuting" into the case, and her elevation to ACJ, look more like a hatchetjob than even before.....Skookum1https://www.blogger.com/profile/02454267132163984177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-1344180770799328172011-03-15T19:58:20.412-07:002011-03-15T19:58:20.412-07:00For goodness sakes , apply now Bill.
You have foug...For goodness sakes , apply now Bill.<br />You have fought the good fight, keep it going.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-29394698720468139062011-03-15T18:32:42.903-07:002011-03-15T18:32:42.903-07:00“If there were a public inquiry that would be a di...“If there were a public inquiry that would be a different ball game,” he said. Bolton added that no one, including media outlets, was restricted for applying to obtain the evidence disclosed to the defence.<br /><br /><br />So now is the time for the NDP to apply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-39059750360123839122011-03-15T18:27:06.131-07:002011-03-15T18:27:06.131-07:00So we should trust the rcmp to preserve protect an...So we should trust the rcmp to preserve protect and defend the documents. Okay, whatever. Thats like giving the fox the key to the henhouse. The material is gone, it will never see the light of day unless the media applies for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-42892571946537004252011-03-15T18:25:31.033-07:002011-03-15T18:25:31.033-07:00Not online yet.Not online yet.Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-89890045512563707402011-03-15T18:14:37.892-07:002011-03-15T18:14:37.892-07:00Is the decision by Associate Chief Justice Anne Ma...Is the decision by Associate Chief Justice Anne MacKenzie available online?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com