tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post4314965142179297038..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: Appeal needed in outrageous sentence reduction for killer of Grant DePatie, gas station attendant dragged to deathBill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-47146950891471405962010-06-20T10:28:35.113-07:002010-06-20T10:28:35.113-07:00Seriously Flipper?you dont know how a 16 year old ...Seriously Flipper?you dont know how a 16 year old that dragged someone to their death can be called a criminal?What would you call him? A brat or a poor misunderstood speshul snowflake?Lock these violent kiddie psychopaths up and lose the key.If anyone thinks someone that committed a crime this horrific could be rehabilitated,you are delusional.Maybe he can be toned down from dragging someone to death to just rape or animal torture.Good times.I cannot imagine the pain the victims family must suffer knowing this freak is running loose and I hope the public makes sure he has a difficult time enjoying his life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-91682782420030035352007-04-15T21:23:00.000-07:002007-04-15T21:23:00.000-07:00"consider the murder of the Aaron, the gay man, in...<I>"consider the murder of the Aaron, the gay man, in Stanley Park. That heinous and surely premeditated crime got a sentence of 6 years for the murderer who was not a juvenile.</I><BR/><BR/>That too was a travesty!<BR/><BR/>I was assured by one lawyer in the prosecution bureau that eventually we would be hearing more about this case, but so far nothing has come out. The Crown dropped the ball so badly in the Webster case that some of the younger murderers got terms of under two years if memory serves. The violent group who committed this crime got together, armed themselves with clubs and bats, went hunting for a victim, and then beat Webster to death. Clearly, this was premeditated, first degree murder, nothing less. What came out the other end of the justice sausage factory in that case was truly incredible.<BR/><BR/>I have no problem with taking into account a disadvantaged background or Aboriginal origins in the case of youths who have been shoplifting or vandalizing or even those who may have committed minor assaults. But when the case is a homicide, I think it's totally inappropriate to take account of these factors. Sentencing should be based on major societal needs, to deter, to punish satisfactorily, and to rehabilitate. <BR/><BR/>In the matter of rehabilitation, I certainly do not buy into the perfectly silly notion that rehabilitation of young people always argues for lesser time. On the contrary, where one is dealing with a 15 or 16 year old who is so badly off course in their development and maturation that they have become involved in a killing of some kind, surely ordinary common sense dictates that a reasonably long period of custody will be required in order for the professionals in social work and psychology to be able to treat this person successfully.<BR/><BR/>One final note. Of the three Appeal Court judges who ruled in this case, two were Chretien era appointees, but one was appointed last June under Harper. So much for Tory law and order!Budd Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04194826986794514558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-91171659315083931192007-04-15T15:37:00.000-07:002007-04-15T15:37:00.000-07:00I don't know how a 16 year old can be called a cri...I don't know how a 16 year old can be called a criminal. Isn't the point of having a young offenders act that they are not yet "criminals" and our society wants to put an effort into helping them change their lives for the better. <BR/>Sentencing decisions are difficult, I am sure, and there are circumstances casual observers may not be aware of, but if you want to look at comparisons, consider the murder of the Aaron, the gay man, in Stanley Park. That heinous and surely premeditated crime got a sentence of 6 years for the murderer who was not a juvenile. Seven years is a long time and thefervour with which people are attacking the sentence reduction is a sad comment on the state of compassion.flipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17109569840373057370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-80233664140951243412007-04-14T18:47:00.000-07:002007-04-14T18:47:00.000-07:00I disagree with your column because the appeal cou...I disagree with your column because the appeal court did the right thing for a change since the sentencing of 9 years for a 16 year old at the time of the "killing" was under the young offenders act, therefore against the statute. <BR/><BR/>Wanting to have boys and girls tried like adults and sentenced as adults is wrong and does not correct the problem. <BR/><BR/>I want judges to follow the law and the BC court of Appeal did abide by the law this time. <BR/><BR/>When people out side the legal community make remarks such as the one you are making, it makes the case for lawyers and judges who lament that lay people don't understand the law. Do not fall into that trap, rather get yourself educated about the different laws and than you will be able to make clear distinction, regarding judge’s decisions, which often times are not within the rule of law. <BR/> <BR/>Perhaps you should consider writing about Justice Peter Leask who argued behind the bench in order to exonerate a hells angels, who may be a drug dealer selling to young children, who end up on the wrong side of the track. <BR/><BR/>You know Bill the tragedy with our Judges, is that they were all lawyers, therefore do not have the capacity to be listeners of justice but rather argue the case. <BR/><BR/>Tina Z.tinazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14329137558482011308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-26578012382775724762007-04-10T19:41:00.000-07:002007-04-10T19:41:00.000-07:00We all would like to see Wally push for an appeal....We all would like to see Wally push for an appeal. But let's not forget it was a unanamous decision by the three judges and a attempt to go to the Supreme Court of Canada can be denied with no requirment as to what they won't do it. A awful case no matter what happens. dlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-5910058467629832172007-04-10T18:34:00.000-07:002007-04-10T18:34:00.000-07:00I agree completely with your column, Bill. It's o...I agree completely with your column, Bill. It's one thing to be compassionate in some cases of juvenile lawlesness, but quite another matter to minimize acts of violence. Juveniles should get no special consideration when it comes to violent crimes. Good to see Mike Farnsworth com out strongly on this case too. As a lifelong NDPer I support a strong stand against crime and criminals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-21116006206238470252007-04-10T17:28:00.000-07:002007-04-10T17:28:00.000-07:00I agree 100%. I was very pleased to see NDP Justi...I agree 100%. I was very pleased to see NDP Justice Critic Mike Farnworth immediately demanding that Oppal direct Crown to appeal. I suggest everyone email Oppal and demand an appeal to this outrageous decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com