tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post3996550236889613033..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: Teachers must keep picketing to put pressure on BC government - only a fair agreement with BCTF should bring down picket linesBill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-57792628233516675052014-09-05T11:08:24.650-07:002014-09-05T11:08:24.650-07:00Only a food would get inspiration for ending a uni...Only a food would get inspiration for ending a union started strike by listening to U.S. country music.<br /><br />A better idea is just to let the teachers actually vote on if they want to continue the strike or not. It is in their hands. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-54495860108919533482014-09-01T19:47:17.876-07:002014-09-01T19:47:17.876-07:00THANK YOU
BILL! We really appreciate your thought...THANK YOU <br />BILL! We really appreciate your thoughts on this issue and I wholeheartedly agree! I am with the Teachers, and also believe that we must not back down. Listen to Tom Petty for inspiration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lAAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00015640766626245697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-14024973096251633342014-09-01T19:46:22.899-07:002014-09-01T19:46:22.899-07:00THANK YOU
BILL! We really appreciate your thought...THANK YOU <br />BILL! We really appreciate your thoughts on this issue and I wholeheartedly agree! I am with the Teachers, and also believe that we must not back down. Listen to Tom Petty for inspiration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lAAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00015640766626245697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-23536980180292812942014-09-01T08:52:33.744-07:002014-09-01T08:52:33.744-07:00Happy Labour Day to all readers of your columns. S...Happy Labour Day to all readers of your columns. Special shout out to those Anonymous that have your smart thoughts read to them and then their stupid thoughts are typed by that personal reader. I will not comment on the subject of education. Of course, it is in our minds, thoughts and discussions. I will attend the Victoria Labour Day to offer my personal "Thank Yous" to all members of that movement. Trust that movement would move forward.<br />Just heard Mr. Tieleman will be on CFAX next. A must listen. <br />Thank You. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04903863282793146766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-55718446680627896972014-08-31T17:55:35.795-07:002014-08-31T17:55:35.795-07:00"Where the hell was the picket line during th..."Where the hell was the picket line during the summer? Nowhere to be found, since the teachers went on vacation. The teachers lost all their momentum before July and now it has blown up in their faces. I guess all of you weren't too serious to begin with. Good luck now because you're going to need it."<br /><br />Agree there. The BCTF should have been on the picket line through July and August but weren't. <br /><br />It's also interesting that the teachers are out there either taking on jobs (which should be for those who are unemployed) while on strike (companies hiring temporary workers are despised by unions, but it seems to be okay for striking labour union members to take jobs from those who need them).<br /><br />"Oh, I'm out of strike pay so I'll just work the gas station down the street until we settle". Get real.<br /><br />Other unions financially supporting the BCTF strike? Interesting. Union strike members try prevent a company from receiving supplies it needs to survive during a labour dispute. <br /><br />If you strike go ahead, but bear the burden. It was your vote to strike no one else's. <br /><br />and $5000 per teacher signing bonus for something the teachers collectively would sign anyway? Get real. <br /><br />Tell the BCTF to smarten up and lose the excessive demands. Negotiate class sizes, but lose the $3000 a year massages, fertility drugs (Viagara for men teachers), and the $5000 signing bonus. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-52237860954945216632014-08-31T12:07:39.613-07:002014-08-31T12:07:39.613-07:00"Let's use our $40/per day to support the..."Let's use our $40/per day to support the teachers--I want to donate it to the BCTF strike fund"<br /><br />Sure. Unions screech about strikebreakers, so if the BCTF wants to continue to strike, let 'em. They decided themselves to strike, and they themselves have let this go on for far too long.<br /><br />They should dump Iker and his negotiating team. They obviously don't have any sense of fiscal reality out there.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-40108256995167175352014-08-30T22:00:13.090-07:002014-08-30T22:00:13.090-07:00Let's use our $40/per day to support the teach...Let's use our $40/per day to support the teachers--I want to donate it to the BCTF strike fund.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-20267816731903545862014-08-30T21:04:44.826-07:002014-08-30T21:04:44.826-07:00I just read another negative comment as posted by ...I just read another negative comment as posted by an Anon at 30/8/2014/10:26. I can only comment that I think it was Mrs. lark and her boat load of clowns that were MIA. My Dock and I discussed this situation and I told him straight goods that the Lie berals were just preparing a strategy for a future show down with that profession. Private schools and medicine is the object to their agenda. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04903863282793146766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-32190023927416007822014-08-30T19:12:32.070-07:002014-08-30T19:12:32.070-07:00Where the hell was the picket line during the summ...Where the hell was the picket line during the summer? Nowhere to be found, since the teachers went on vacation. The teachers lost all their momentum before July and now it has blown up in their faces. I guess all of you weren't too serious to begin with. Good luck now because you're going to need it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-20540989269709237532014-08-30T10:26:41.279-07:002014-08-30T10:26:41.279-07:00I should have included the website like to the BC ...I should have included the website like to the BC NDP Caucus website where MLA Rob Fleming's statement can be found. It can be found at this <a href="http://bcndpcaucus.ca/news/statement-new-democrat-education-spokesperson-education-mediation/" rel="nofollow">BC NDP Caucus</a> link.Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-10029648069497227252014-08-30T10:21:36.132-07:002014-08-30T10:21:36.132-07:00Thanks for the interest and kind words here on my ...Thanks for the interest and kind words here on my thoughts on the BCTF strike picket line issue.<br /><br />Thanks also for references to remarks by BC NDP Education Critic Rob Fleming - I have now had a chance to find the full statement on the BC NDP Caucus website and for clarity, here is the full statement:<br /><br />“The only way to reach a fair settlement and ensure kids are in classrooms on Sept. 2 is to get both sides back to the table as quickly as possible. The willingness of both sides to start mediation is a positive sign.<br /><br />“However, the B.C. Liberals must not squander this momentum as they have so many times before in this dispute, by putting up roadblocks, arbitrary deadlines and impossible pre-conditions.<br /><br />“The B.C. Liberal government must absolutely and sincerely drive towards a resolution to get kids back in classrooms on Sept. 2, and that means removing any obstacles so mediator Vince Ready can have the tools to do his job and mediate a resolution.<br /><br />“If mediation can successfully begin and show signs of steady progress, both sides should voluntarily suspend their job action so schools can be open while bargaining continues. This is the signal British Columbians have been waiting for all summer.”<br /><br />While I share Rob Fleming's concern about getting students back to school and the BC Liberals' provocations to continue, rather than end the strike, I must respectfully disagree with him on returning to work without a tentative agreement.<br /><br />To be fair, only the BCTF negotiating team can decide if enough "progress" has been made to go back to work but if the BCTF were my client I would strongly advise them against suspending the strike until a deal is reached. <br /><br />My reasons were outlined in the article above.<br /><br />Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-90319797024600580152014-08-30T10:06:05.951-07:002014-08-30T10:06:05.951-07:00Once again, please allow this reader and now a typ...Once again, please allow this reader and now a typist to thank you for your thoughts as the wisest of the three wise men that lead to the death of that baby called HST. I certainly agree with most of the comments by your intelligent commenters. However there that one bad apple referring to BCTF as a terrorist group. Another offered a rebuttal but I will add that Mrs. Clark and her puppets clowns have terriotisted the honest people in our wonderful place on this planet. HST and now mine disaster are just two examples. I wish there were honest Liberals that would see the light of day and remove that Queen Bee from the hive. Thank you. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04903863282793146766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-16237950078437556642014-08-30T07:52:40.951-07:002014-08-30T07:52:40.951-07:00Thank you, Bill.
After 38 years of BC public scho...Thank you, Bill.<br /><br />After 38 years of BC public school teaching, I feared that September would not start off with a bang — so I pulled the pin a year earlier than I had planned. I was fortunate to have an out and I took it.<br /><br />However, I continue to lend my voice to the cause and will spend my time on picket lines until this thing is done.G. Barry Stewartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-63736090549122874602014-08-30T07:16:44.080-07:002014-08-30T07:16:44.080-07:00The piece by Anon 22:36 got it all wrong. It's...The piece by Anon 22:36 got it all wrong. It's not the government that wants a great place to learn, it's the teachers.The gov.,as others have mentioned broke the law more than once by cutting sections out of the contracts and the court ruled against the province. To step away from the table now would play into Clark and Co. DPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-9066264763976241222014-08-29T22:36:09.151-07:002014-08-29T22:36:09.151-07:00The BCTF is a terrorist organization! They use tac...The BCTF is a terrorist organization! They use tactics to make parents feel they have no choice but to bow to their ridiculios demands. The government is ensuring education for years to come! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-61826337831121096562014-08-29T21:13:32.066-07:002014-08-29T21:13:32.066-07:00You are exactly right on, Bill, and it is my under...You are exactly right on, Bill, and it is my understanding, speaking to insiders, that the BCTF executive agrees with you. It's like the old adage: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." This outrageous government can't be trusted. Sadly, the NDP education critic was quoted in The Vancouver Sun giving teachers exactly the same advice about going back to work while mediation proceeds. What a pathetic political opposition party as well!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-1376305003107379472014-08-29T18:35:38.387-07:002014-08-29T18:35:38.387-07:00Thank you, Bill. Your thoughts on Peter Fassbender...Thank you, Bill. Your thoughts on Peter Fassbender's sugggested "cooling off" period matches that of many teachers and parents,and members of the public. Where was the Minister's plan when there was the entire holidays to get an agreement? Why did government leave it until now to agree to negotiate?<br />This is a crisis staged by the government to make teachers look bad when they say no to a suggestion that gives the Liberals everything they want, without our children getting anything in return on the class size and composition issue. The Supreme Court ruled the Liberals' legislation was unconstitutional and illegal. That ruling will not be affected by the government court appeal. The law must be respected and obeyed by EVERYONE, including Christy and her Liberal ministers.<br />They have taken away money that should have been supporting kids. I hope people support teachers in their attempt to get it back, as the Supreme Court ruled should happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-78486577877064492252014-08-29T16:34:15.901-07:002014-08-29T16:34:15.901-07:00Bill, thank you so much for your wise words. We k...Bill, thank you so much for your wise words. We know<br />How difficult it is for teachers,how much they stand<br />To lose in wages as this charade continues,. Please<br />Hold the line teachers, you are the on the ground troops<br />Here and there has never been a bigger war on<br />Education than the one declared by CC and crew.<br /><br />We are behind you 100%,how about the federation<br />Of labour or other unions helping the teachers out with<br />Both financial and emotional support. In our family<br />With two of our kids in teaching, we are determined to help in any way we can to see this through!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-38778748198984414802014-08-29T15:44:09.962-07:002014-08-29T15:44:09.962-07:00Bill, you've nailed it yet again. We teachers ...Bill, you've nailed it yet again. We teachers appreciate the sound advice and support in advocating for what is fair and for a better funded public education system. Parents have been very supportive of our cause and position because they know that we do care about our students and BC Ed. We also deserve a fair settlement to help us to support our families. A better funded education system benefits everyone in the long run. Planning and providing for the future is the measure of an intelligent society. Aren't our kids and we as taxpayers worth it?Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05587784841052157345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-56808141672771826572014-08-29T15:43:18.117-07:002014-08-29T15:43:18.117-07:00Bill, you've nailed it yet again. We teachers ...Bill, you've nailed it yet again. We teachers appreciate the sound advice and support in advocating for what is fair and for a better funded public education system. Parents have been very supportive of our cause and position because they know that we do care about our students and BC Ed. We also deserve a fair settlement to help us to support our families. A better funded education system benefits everyone in the long run. Planning and providing for the future is the measure of an intelligent society. Aren't our kids and we as taxpayers worth it?Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05587784841052157345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-7918517170842371002014-08-29T15:39:42.481-07:002014-08-29T15:39:42.481-07:00You should really examine why the BCTF functions a...You should really examine why the BCTF functions as a quasi political party championing social justice issues rather than protecting its members first and foremost which is why I pay dues. Other teacher unions across Canada do not ask so much of their membership yet have negotiated better contracts. This story goes way back and the animosity has always been there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-30685295379249045082014-08-29T15:38:38.502-07:002014-08-29T15:38:38.502-07:00I am really disgusted by Fassbender's attempt ...I am really disgusted by Fassbender's attempt to twist public perception into thinking he and Clark's Liberals are the ones suddenly stepping in to solve the dispute between two quarreling parties - the BCTF and BCPSEA. Clark fired BCPSEA in the summer of 2013 as she did not like the fact progress was being made at the bargaining table. In BCPSEA's place Clark's Liberals became the puppet masters to Mark Cameron and his "new" bargaining team. Fassbender and the Liberals are not stepping in to save the day. They are the one's defying the court order on Class size and Composition that is preventing the settlement of this labour dispute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-66573700711572464532014-08-29T15:25:11.675-07:002014-08-29T15:25:11.675-07:00Thank you, mevans. Your student voice and support ...Thank you, mevans. Your student voice and support are so appreciated. Thank you also, Bill Tieleman, for sharing your perspective and experience. After 29 years of teaching, this is the most unbelievable and uncomfortable situation I have ever found myself in. I am incredulous at the mean spirited and almost gleeful way the government is trying to push us off a cliff. I would NEVER have imagined such disdain for dedicated teachers like myself. It is changing me and may be difficult to truly recover from, regardless of the outcome of this dispute. I will hold the line for my students because there is just no other option that I can see.pmcleodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-66817841624211254392014-08-29T14:17:05.877-07:002014-08-29T14:17:05.877-07:00Thank you Mr. Tieleman. I am a student going into ...Thank you Mr. Tieleman. I am a student going into grade 9 and I fully support my teachers. Sure- I wanted a report card in June- sure, I want to be back at school on Tuesday- but not at any cost. Far too little has been printed about our point of view. Sure- there are a few letters from the whiny "at school because I have to be 'LOL'" crowd who were upset because they missed a field trip, a year-end party or couldn't go to summer school (because they screwed around all year). <br />I assure you this is NOT the voice of the intelligent students in our schools. We are up to our necks in the middle of what our teachers are dealing with every day: combined classes, crowded classes, no resources, out-of date software- our teachers are miracle workers considering what they have to work with.<br />I challenge all of the intelligent students out there to get involved, support your teachers and become active in forcing this government to support our learning. Why should the teachers be doing this alone? We have a voice, a powerful voice. We are the future of this province and we have had enough. Our teachers have taught us to be critical thinkers- look at the FACTS (yes- objective unbiased facts) and get involved! Go to a rally, write an MLA, join a picket line. This is our fight!mevansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-20939934509736352112014-08-29T13:53:18.008-07:002014-08-29T13:53:18.008-07:00If the government stonewalls and does not bring an...If the government stonewalls and does not bring anything to the table, and we teachers remain out past the first week of school, losing at this round will have looked good. The government might be trying to trick the BCTF into giving up its strike mandate, but it's a much weaker mandate than the 86% vote appears. The BCTF needs an exit sooner than later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com