tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post1741148390971230443..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: Les is no more - Solicitor General John Les resigns - under investigation by Special Prosecutor in connection with land deal when Chilliwack MayorBill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-67156311206438121492008-04-03T20:02:00.000-07:002008-04-03T20:02:00.000-07:00TinazThanls for directing me to the website. One m...Tinaz<BR/>Thanls for directing me to the website. One more bookmarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-41496453873420245102008-04-02T14:37:00.000-07:002008-04-02T14:37:00.000-07:00Once again I remind posters about the laws of defa...Once again I remind posters about the laws of defamation - I have had to reject another comment and the following comment has been edited for the same reasons.<BR/><BR/>I am not in the business of editing postings nor defending myself in court over defamatory statements made by others, so please think twice and edit judiciously BEFORE sending comments to me.<BR/><BR/>Here is the EDITED version:<BR/><BR/>ANONYMOUS SAID:<BR/><BR/>I am in an unusual position to know some things that have made me do some thinking and I'm wondering if this is the only investigation... <BR/><BR/>SECTION REMOVED<BR/><BR/>I have reasonable and specific knowledge of something that makes me suspect that there is either another investigation ....<BR/><BR/>SECTION REMOVED<BR/><BR/>If my information is valid then my suspicion is that there is either bigger news ahead or else the Chilliwack investigation ....<BR/><BR/>SECTION REMOVED<BR/><BR/>I am hesitant to start naming names and document/plan#s - I have checked out enough documents via the internet to confirm that the information I came across via the funny coincidences of life could be found by another, if they knew where to start.<BR/><BR/>In order to go further I would have to be an investigative reporter (which I'm not) or else find people who know enough about the Chilliwack/Abbotsford area during Les' early life ie from 1954-1999.<BR/><BR/>Since I am quite a distance from the area and have no connections of the type I need I can't really go much further.<BR/><BR/>Should there be anyone who knows of some person or entity that is actually interested in investigating things I am capable of being specific enough up to a point where discovery of almost all that I'm aware of would be inevitable. <BR/><BR/>I will monitor the comments in case anyone has a name of someone appropriate.Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-17332552697109639972008-04-01T21:08:00.000-07:002008-04-01T21:08:00.000-07:00The website address connected to the email is www....The website address connected to the email is www.justice4you.org<BR/><BR/>Tina Ztinazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13400191292081738511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-90016264451729149712008-04-01T16:07:00.000-07:002008-04-01T16:07:00.000-07:00Tina says. citizen@justice4you.org is a email addr...Tina says. citizen@justice4you.org is a email address connected to a web site. So what web site? Or are you not willing to tell us DLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-10051109225995840852008-04-01T15:59:00.000-07:002008-04-01T15:59:00.000-07:00Someone raised the Glen Clark persecution. I don'...Someone raised the Glen Clark persecution. I don't describe it as a prosecution, because Clark presented unassailable exculpatory evidence that the supposed unlawful transfers that a police and prosecutorial tandem used to found a Breach of Trust charge, were made in barter in lawful quid pro quo.<BR/><BR/>Did criminal justice officials act to influence the BC election, that butchered the NDP? Since freedom of expression is suppressed in BC, I have no right to speak to that. Did the RCMP initiate a criminal investigation in order to conduce election of the Harper government? I am chilled, but today's Globe and Mail yet again embarasses Canwest cartoonists on that issues.<BR/><BR/>For an exemplary of press release scribing, posing as journalism, read the Province's sensationalist report on hero-cops v doped up car thieves. If it bleeds, it leads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-53267613683616147592008-04-01T15:49:00.000-07:002008-04-01T15:49:00.000-07:00Posters questioned the mechanics of the SP appoint...Posters questioned the mechanics of the SP appointment process. Where a police service initiates a criminal investigation, they start an agency file and inform Crown Counsel of same. From the date of filing, the Criminal Code allows them 6 months to either recommend prosecution or not, unless circumstances require continuing the investigation beyond the statutory limit. <BR/><BR/>Where a bias issue may arise, prosecutors must inform the Criminal Justice Branch (AG) of the investigation. Should that agency agree that independence is in jeopardy, they may recommend appointment of a special prosecutor who may assess police evidence, re. sufficiency for prosecution. In the matter of the Solicitor General, his Deputy - Alan Seckel - made the appointment. However, given that Seckel serves at the pleasure of the SG, it is highly doubtful that information of the appointment didn't get to Oppal and Campbell. <BR/><BR/>Why did Les continue to work as top cop, in face of said criminal investigation? He claims to be innocent, and it appears that police didn't disclose a prima facie case warranting charge recommendations, by the time of the appointment. Why did Les resign? In the current state of public affairs in BC, general Charter nullification prevents exercise of freedom of expression in answering that question.<BR/><BR/>Is it legal for criminal justice personnel to conceal criminal justice investigations from the public? No, unless secrecy advances justice, an issue of an offence against the public MUST be disclosed; it is not done so in BC, because the rule of law is not respected by our officials. Two weeks ago the RCMP disclosed that they were investigating a man for a hit and run after a youth was killed while on his way to the YVR. Reporters staked out the alleged offender's residence, and published statement questioning his character. He has yet to be charged. The media-political tandem works on a rule: elites enjoy exculpatory circuses, while the rest of us face inculpatory pillarization. Had the Seckel circus not been in session, members of the public might have contributed to the evidence package, for or against the AG. <BR/><BR/>Defamatory Libel is a criminal offence in Canada; however, it is only invocable by public officials. In fact, in the Supreme Court of Canada case of R v Lucas, one year sentences were upheld against 2 protesters who were found to have libeled a cop. No police service has ever investigated a public official for Defamatory Libel, not withstanding the escalating body count of destroyed lives piled up in the Canwest-RCMP/VPD cartoon justice lunacy. That is why elected and appointed officials toss mud, with absolute impunity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-76218891638375297772008-04-01T09:02:00.000-07:002008-04-01T09:02:00.000-07:00Whatever comes of this police and special prosecut...Whatever comes of this police and special prosecutor investigation, I am quite happy that <B>John Les</B> is no longer the Solicitor General, and I hope he never resumes the portfolio.<BR/><BR/>Les's purely political attitude towards the re-introduction of photo radar for high crash locations like <B>Patullo Bridge</B> demonstrate that he is completely incapable of making sound policy decisions. <BR/><BR/>Furthermore, provincial jails like the <B>North Fraser Correctional Centre</B> off 256 Street in Maple Ridge are way over capacity in terms of their number of inmates. <B>Maple Ridge Council</B> has asked for answers on plans for expansion. Les's attitude is that they'll get round to it when they get round to it, yes they're overcrowded, and at some point in the undisclosed future the BC Govt may actually do something about it. In the meantime, enjoy your day.Budd Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04194826986794514558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-4897118386976848852008-04-01T05:48:00.000-07:002008-04-01T05:48:00.000-07:00BT:A libel-chilled reporter is an elite' player pi...BT:<BR/><BR/>A libel-chilled reporter is an elite' player piano. Case in point. A UBC student made alleged threats, and both his arrest and identity were made public. And while the man was in custody - with no ability to defend himself - statements as to his character were plastered all over the media. In fact, police solicited additional inculpatory evidence. <BR/><BR/>Then there was the YVR incident, wherein a Polish immigrant ended up dead after taking taser hits from police. RCMP spokesmen made immediate inculpatory comments on his conduct, while they have concealed the identity of the cops and attempted to coverup video evidence. <BR/><BR/>Let me say it: generally, BC reportage is cartoonish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-40577031478460167232008-03-31T20:26:00.000-07:002008-03-31T20:26:00.000-07:00After watching John Daly from BCTV Global news ton...After watching John Daly from BCTV Global news tonight, I'm starting to get a bit of a different impression. <BR/><BR/>According to his contacts and sources, Les is really on the sidelines and peripheral to the investigation.<BR/><BR/>After reading and seeing the whole thing unfold since Friday afternoon, that conclusion seems to pass the "smell test" IMHO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-33608362080068990252008-03-31T20:22:00.000-07:002008-03-31T20:22:00.000-07:00Bill, It appears that John Les has already been cl...Bill, <BR/><BR/>It appears that John Les has already been cleared or else the following website on the Criminal Justice Conference of 2008 has not been changed <BR/>http://www.padoconference.com/<BR/><BR/>On the left side of the website, click on speakers and you will see that Mr. John Les is one of the first speakers. <BR/><BR/>Tina Ztinazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13400191292081738511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-47759424463304829002008-03-31T19:04:00.000-07:002008-03-31T19:04:00.000-07:00Thanks Tina for the links to stories on the specia...Thanks Tina for the links to stories on the special prosecutor appointed regarding Wally Oppal's brother.Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-87792417220359390562008-03-31T18:06:00.000-07:002008-03-31T18:06:00.000-07:00DL citizen@justice4you.org is not a website, it is...DL <BR/><BR/>citizen@justice4you.org is not a website, it is an email address. The email is linked to a website. <BR/><BR/>Tina Ztinazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13400191292081738511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-42579102644911733712008-03-31T17:35:00.000-07:002008-03-31T17:35:00.000-07:00Hi Bill,If you still have some anxieties about the...Hi Bill,<BR/><BR/>If you still have some anxieties about the comments I have made, for your records here are the following links: <BR/><BR/>A-G's brother not charged<BR/><BR/>http://www.canada.com/theprovince/<BR/>news/story.html?id=61a7f455-7e84-<BR/>4be0-b635-2f3daf9a2498 <BR/><BR/><BR/>NDP wants answers on Oppal probe<BR/><BR/>http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/<BR/>news/story.html?id=3dd03554-140a-<BR/>426a-9883-daf82fc1dae7<BR/> <BR/>Province enquiry leads to disclosure of probe<BR/><BR/>http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/<BR/>story.html?id=0be5d7d3-afce<BR/>-4384-b68b-e006ba9a3a50<BR/><BR/>B.C. attorney general's brother target of land deal probe<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/<BR/>british-columbia/story/<BR/>2007/09/07/bc-attorney.html <BR/><BR/>Now Harry Oppal was also under investigation for marijuana grow operation. <BR/><BR/>Tina Ztinazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13400191292081738511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-70227852065782556012008-03-31T17:22:00.000-07:002008-03-31T17:22:00.000-07:00Being sort of nosy,I just used the site Tina ment...Being sort of nosy,I just used the site Tina mentioned citizen@justice4you.org. Nothing happened so where does your information flow from? DLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-50035548759787766032008-03-31T12:38:00.000-07:002008-03-31T12:38:00.000-07:00I received another posting from Tina Z and have ha...I received another posting from Tina Z and have had to edit it for potentially defamatory comments. I want to point out that I don't have the time or ability to independently verify claims made by posters and sometimes that's why a comment is rejected or edited. <BR/><BR/>Claims may or may not be true but if it seems possibly libelous I will not publish it. If you include links to reputable online sources to back up your comments, I will attempt - if possible - to check them and post if I am satisfied.<BR/><BR/>Lastly in answer to Tina Z's question - no, I am not dictated to by anyone regarding this blog.<BR/><BR/> - Bill Tieleman<BR/><BR/>Here is the EDITED version of Tina Z comments:<BR/><BR/><BR/>During the time of Pinochet nobody could complain about him, now would it be fair comment to say that the public and the press cannot really complain directly about Wally Oppal and his brother Harry.... SECTION REMOVED. <BR/><BR/>I also wrote that it is only in British Columbia that the AG hires special prosecutors, thus giving the appearance of conflict of interest, since the lawyers hired by the AG's office are also criminal lawyers, playing on both sides of the fence. <BR/><BR/>I hope that Bill is not being dictated by others. I say this because I have noticed when I make a comment about Wally Oppal and his brother, my comments are not published, yet my comments made are based on what I have read in the paper and thus should Bill be sued, than the other papers ought to also be sued. <BR/><BR/>I understand Bill's concern and therefore I ask him to please send me back my comments at citizen@justice4you.org and advise me where in his considered opinion I wrote something that was libelous in any way. <BR/><BR/>In the meantime, I stand by what I wrote because I know it to be true, otherwise I would not write it. <BR/><BR/>Tina ZBill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-88155858560036393362008-03-31T10:57:00.000-07:002008-03-31T10:57:00.000-07:00Tina. Bill has taken a position about things that...Tina. Bill has taken a position about things that appear on his website. He can be sued as he said on things that show up on his site. It says eachime the message will be printed when approved . Lots of blogs have the same rider.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you could write something you know and can prove in this case. John Les has been around for a long time in municipal and Provincial politics. He has stepped down while a investigation is on going. Check out the legislature question period. In that location people can say a lot of things and without fear of being sued. Quesiion period today might be a bit lively as comments will be made .<BR/><BR/>Come to think of it, should you know something or think something that might be of value for or against the man, drop an email to MLA's on either side of the house. Or the guys doing the investigation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-64843953677966624022008-03-31T10:10:00.000-07:002008-03-31T10:10:00.000-07:00Tieleman is acting responsibly in monitoring the c...Tieleman is acting responsibly in monitoring the comments posted on his site and makes that clear to anyone who wants to post. Note that under the "leave your comment" section on his blog appears this caution, "Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author."<BR/><BR/>There is a concept in defamation law described as "republication". Journalists get into trouble when they republish defamatory statements made by others. It is no excuse for the journalist to say that he or she was simply repeating the statement of others. It is the journalist's responsibility to verify the accuracy of what he or she publishes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-55410632946231862642008-03-30T23:00:00.000-07:002008-03-30T23:00:00.000-07:00@ tinaz (Tina Z) - BT will "know as a journalist t...@ tinaz (Tina Z) - BT will "know as a journalist that it is crucial to know what others believe", because "All comments must be approved by the blog author." Which means that everything that is submitted is read by BT - but not necessarily posted.<BR/><BR/><B>IANAL</B> It is my understanding that by taking on the responsibility of 'approving' ALL comments BT is also assuming "defamatory or libelous" content will be held against him per<B>$</B>onally.<BR/><BR/>This is not a site (like Digg or Reddit) that gets thousands and thousands of comments - a volume so big it would not be economically possible to read every entry - and the site owners makes NO attempt to even pretend they look at individual comments before they go 'live'. The big sites <I>usually</I> have a way for 'offensive' comments to be reported and then evaluated by the site's owners. It is my understanding that the courts treat the big sites differently because of the way user comments are handled.<BR/><BR/>Remember: <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IANAL" REL="nofollow">IANAL</A><BR/><BR/>Please also keep in mind that independent bloggers do NOT have the financial and legal backstop that the corporate media scribes have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-71709521772338778582008-03-30T22:04:00.000-07:002008-03-30T22:04:00.000-07:00Bill,I respect the fact that anyone can set up the...Bill,<BR/><BR/>I respect the fact that anyone can set up their own blog, however your blog, which is political, is also important to others. <BR/><BR/>I have notice that many other blogs do not censor their readers and do not concern themselves with defamation because it is the opinion of the reader and not the publisher. By censoring others, you give doubt to your own limits within your industry, as to what you are really prepared to write about. I suspect you know way more than you led on but for fear of being shut down, you play it safe.<BR/><BR/>I hope that you will reconsider your position and that you soon come to realize that playing it safe won't cut it in the long run but telling the truth and telling it as it is, is what is most needed in these times. <BR/><BR/>Tina Ztinazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13400191292081738511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-43758405512603003962008-03-30T21:54:00.000-07:002008-03-30T21:54:00.000-07:00Tina = I am responsible for everything on this blo...Tina = I am responsible for everything on this blog and as such, I have to decide if in my opinion a posting is defamatory or libelous, just as every newspaper publisher does and every media outlet does.<BR/><BR/>As a longtime newspaper columnist who has personally been seriously threatened with a libel action and who has had lawyers review many columns, I think I have a very good idea of what may cross the line from opinion into defamation.<BR/><BR/>Everyone is welcome to comment on my website but I am the publisher and will not jeopardize the continued existence of this website by posting material I deem as potentially defamatory.<BR/><BR/>Anyone can set up their own blog and post anything they like on it if they take responsibility for that content - but these are my conditions.Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-77656207020176914272008-03-30T21:49:00.000-07:002008-03-30T21:49:00.000-07:00Bill, I just read your posting wherein you write t...Bill, <BR/><BR/>I just read your posting wherein you write that you won't publish anything you deem to be defamatory or highly questionable on your blog. <BR/><BR/>I am curious as to how you can make such determination. I know that anything I write is based on facts, otherwise I would not say it. <BR/><BR/>By censoring what the public believes and thinks, you are basically cutting off the voice of your readers. While you may disagree with what some of your readers write and it may even make you uncomfortable, you ought to know as a journalist that it is crucial to know what others believe<BR/><BR/>I hope you will reconsider your position. <BR/><BR/>Tina Ztinazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13400191292081738511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-87904683109699782552008-03-30T21:34:00.000-07:002008-03-30T21:34:00.000-07:00Warning to posters - I will not publish anything I...Warning to posters - I will not publish anything I deem to be defamatory or highly questionable on this or any other story on this blog.<BR/><BR/>Please do not make allegations that cannot be supported by facts.<BR/><BR/>This website is no different than any other publication when it comes to libel, slander or defamation - and it is highly unfair to make unsubstantiated allegations, particularly without identifying yourself.<BR/><BR/>In any event, I have rejected some comments and will continue to do so if these simple and obvious guidelines are not followed.Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-33944727546063262632008-03-30T20:56:00.000-07:002008-03-30T20:56:00.000-07:00CURIOUSER and CURIOUSERTurns out that current Chil...<B>CURIOUSER and CURIOUSER</B><BR/><BR/>Turns out that current Chilliwack Mayor Clint Hames "has been serving his community since 1990 – first as a Councillor, and then since 2000 as Mayor" - That would completely cover the period in question.<BR/>.....<BR/>Mayor Hames apparently put out a press release about the investigation back in February 2008, but I can't seem to find it online - Anybody? This would be the press release that sparked The Chilliwack Times' Paul J. Henderson 07/Feb/2008 article. A link to the criminal justice branch issued news release from Friday (28/Mar/2008) would be nice too.<BR/>.....<BR/>The loose lips of Les - from Rod Mickleburgh and Ian Bailey in Saturday's (29/Mar/2008) Globe and Mail: Mr. Hames said police told the city they were investigating the behaviour of a former municipal employee going back at least 10 years. "Since the investigation is ongoing, the RCMP have requested that the city refrain from commenting on any details surrounding the matter"<BR/><BR/>Mr. Les said he had heard the same <B>rumours</B>, but never imagined they touched his time as mayor.<BR/><BR/><I>"I hadn't paid it any particular attention. I was never informed that I was involved in the investigation. I was never questioned by police. I was never advised there was a special prosecutor</I>," he said.<BR/>.....<BR/>So Les knew in February 2008 that somebody was sniffing around his patch. My lieDAR was close to going off the scale when I read: "I hadn't paid it any particular attention."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-53700664850956797152008-03-30T20:41:00.000-07:002008-03-30T20:41:00.000-07:00You might want to check out this great article by ...You might want to check out this great article by Paul Willcocks at <BR/><BR/>http://willcocks.blogspot.com/ <BR/><BR/>The next Question Period should be interesting if we can get beyond"I can't answer that, it's before the courts.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-88975741527433794262008-03-30T18:08:00.000-07:002008-03-30T18:08:00.000-07:00Anon-Above/Need To Know @ 6:54am--Excellent points...Anon-Above/Need To Know @ 6:54am--<BR/><BR/>Excellent points re: questions arising from the second part of Paul Henderson's Feb 2008 Chilliwack Times piece. <BR/><BR/><BR/>____<BR/>(for anyone interested I've fleshed out these questions and put them in context re: alleged criminal activity vs. potential for post activity cover-up at my place)<BR/><BR/>.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.com