tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post1136372942554793130..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: SPECIAL: Martyn Brown Calls for BC Premier Christy Clark to resign: Confronting the Government’s Crisis of Confidence - By Martyn BrownBill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-13817337002806868482013-03-06T15:55:58.782-08:002013-03-06T15:55:58.782-08:00The election date is not being moved for May's...The election date is not being moved for May's election.<br /><br />It's up to the NDP to handle the smart move to the fall of 2017.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-32585893251540332572013-03-06T06:04:12.275-08:002013-03-06T06:04:12.275-08:00Well Christy learned from the master of responsib...Well Christy learned from the master of responsibility avoidance himself, Gordon Campbell. He set the new standard, never resign over anything. Never, never, never. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-50757669813593577362013-03-05T22:04:42.700-08:002013-03-05T22:04:42.700-08:00High minded talk doesn't erase the the real pe...High minded talk doesn't erase the the real perfidy behind the devolution of this corrupt party. Campbell didn't serve some higher purpose by resigning, he was fired by his own caucus to save their worthless asses, not because of the HST (that was simply the final straw) but because of the BC Rail corruption trial, itself corrupted by the hush money payout (at taxpayers' expense). Ever since Christy butted in, the BC Liberals have bee all about filling their boots till the party's over; never had anything to do with a "new start". Brown's observation that only unknowns can save the party now is an indictment of the brand as well as the product.<br /><br />Postponing the election so the BC Liberals could find a new leader would be totally inappropriate. The LG is concerned about parliamentary matters, not party ones; there's absolutely no good reason to cut these bastards any slack. The BC Liberals earned every lash in the thrashing they're about to get. If Christy stubbornly wants to ride this pony into the ground, I say it's the best thing she's ever done.<br /><br />The idea that the NDP would be loath to precipitate an early election is poppycock: they're ready to rumble any time, the sooner the better, no matter whom is Premier, interim or other--if it's got the BC Liberal label on it, it's toast. Brown's just jettisoning shredded tin foil and hoping he doesn't get hit as the BC Liberals scud to the ground.scotty on Denmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-83271831768681307502013-03-05T10:39:07.082-08:002013-03-05T10:39:07.082-08:00Quite hypocritical since Brown was firstly the Dir...Quite hypocritical since Brown was firstly the Director for Social Credit caucus research who targeted the NDP for opposition research, and subsequently in the Inner Circle with Gordon Campbell which all the bloggers hate anything to do with Gordon Campbell and did not advance his role in the BC Rail scandal. <br /><br />So now he's "hero" enough to warrant a long column on a left wing blog?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-66563106549497825832013-03-05T10:25:49.496-08:002013-03-05T10:25:49.496-08:00Your post may have been long. However, I know I ca...Your post may have been long. However, I know I can use your post as a, point of reference. Lots in the post, I wasn't even aware of.<br /><br />I too am surprised, by Martyn Browns recovery from his brain death. Brown may have a point to argue. Campbell was no boss, he was and is, a monster. Omission is also a lie and against the law. Brown participated.<br /><br />Christy is using the same underhanded tactics, Harper is using now. Doesn't matter, Harper had a string of degenerates, as long as his arm working for him. No big deal to Harper, there are warrants for the arrest of, Porter and four others. Doesn't matter when, he and his Cons are caught stealing our money. <br /><br />Christy and her Liberals, are no different than, Harper and his so called Cons, and their bizarre behavior.<br /><br />Harper after all, is the godfather to all of Canada.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-40350163446530885062013-03-05T09:03:36.232-08:002013-03-05T09:03:36.232-08:00Your apologia is noted Bill, but Brown's treat...Your apologia is noted Bill, but Brown's treatise is first year political science and self-serving tripe. Ministerial responsibility is now his mantra? Even in a narrow interpretation this would preclude the telling of lies. Given his relationship with the discredited former premier and assorted hangers-on, and his performance on the witness stand, this is too little, too late. Brown has nothing to lose here. There is no friendship in his world. He is a political parasite and will soon enough find another host to feed on. That is likely the real reason for this sudden attempted cleansing. He is no doubt already linked to the backroom that will take over to rebuild when Clark is mercifully turned out to her waiting federal sinecure.Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-31983736786315620462013-03-05T08:35:25.321-08:002013-03-05T08:35:25.321-08:00"I encourage readers to consider what Brown h..."I encourage readers to consider what Brown has to say and judge it on its own merits."<br /><br />I did that when I listened to what he had to say about BC Rail under oath. It seems he had far more to lose than gain then too.Lewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-71574834842559928712013-03-05T07:54:04.715-08:002013-03-05T07:54:04.715-08:00Quoting the honourable Mr. Brown "And they ar...Quoting the honourable Mr. Brown "And they are not inclined to insist upon the type of investigatory responses that one would expect in demonstrating a genuine commitment to getting to the bottom of this scandal with convincing intent". <br />Question: Will he insist on such responses when he is on the Stand at the B.C.Rail Corruption Inquiry?<br />Providing he isn't hospitalized with "amnesia".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-83783530770257739822013-03-05T07:51:06.803-08:002013-03-05T07:51:06.803-08:00Martyn raised many issues and possibilities.When ...Martyn raised many issues and possibilities.When he appeared at the Basi Basi Verk he was protecting his boss so like many, simply lost his memory. The judge didn't cite him for contempt so he too knew what Martyn was doing. But the article is about now and what to do next. His comment that more paper might well appear soon is of interest. I'm happy that Bill brought our attention to the complete article and not a watered down version. Martyn is a regular member of political panels and like him of not, he is worth listening to and or reading. Thanks Bill for going to the effort.<br /><br />Christy had made a good wage on TV as a fast talker but this is real life and her fast talking, blame everyone else simply doesn't wash. My God, she is the Premier so maybe just maybe she might act like one. Which American President had the sign on his desk"The buck stops here"?The buck stops at her desk, and we can only guess what she will do.DPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-70373696897189021542013-03-05T07:24:44.534-08:002013-03-05T07:24:44.534-08:00I will make no apologies for publishing Martyn Bro...I will make no apologies for publishing Martyn Brown's article here. It is important, it is well-argued and I agree with almost all of it.<br /><br />Martyn Brown has far more to lose than gain by taking the strong positions in public that he has - colleagues, friends, allies - no doubt a difficult decision.<br /><br />None of which is to absolve Brown from responsibility for his own action in government, including the Basi-Virk case.<br /><br />I encourage readers to consider what Brown has to say and judge it on its own merits. Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-81436798541410315402013-03-05T07:20:05.363-08:002013-03-05T07:20:05.363-08:00This might have been an interesting treatise, had ...This might have been an interesting treatise, had it been written by almost anyone else.<br /><br />Mr. Brown voluntarily gave up any credibility he might have had when he was in court some years ago.<br /><br />Hard to believe his memory has improved this much in only a few short years.perseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-17369407290667913752013-03-05T06:42:36.800-08:002013-03-05T06:42:36.800-08:00So Mr. Brown, why is your rather wordy narrative s...So Mr. Brown, why is your rather wordy narrative so clear now but was so cloudy during the BC Rail fraud trial of Basi and Virk? <br /><br />While I appreciate you giving us some insider trading tips, your chance has come and gone to do the right thing. No, this smacks of deliberate self-service. It looks like you were ousted from the inner circle, and this is all just sour grapes. <br /><br />I'm no Christy Clark fan. She will be kicked out of office shortly. But giving credibility to a BC Liberal insider who previously sold us out so he can further his own agenda? Sorry. I'm not playing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-78995466012711640052013-03-05T06:27:29.335-08:002013-03-05T06:27:29.335-08:00does Mr Brown want the hubub to die down before th...does Mr Brown want the hubub to die down before this is dragged into the light of day? http://pacificgazette.blogspot.ca/2013/03/toto-i-have-feeling-were-not-just-in.html<br />Please don't supply him with a soapbox, his hands are still soaking wet with our bloodghnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-13354310575411260382013-03-05T06:13:58.507-08:002013-03-05T06:13:58.507-08:00Geez Martin you do remember how governments work. ...Geez Martin you do remember how governments work. Funny how your memory has returned.Ron S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-54669601196644918632013-03-05T05:48:40.413-08:002013-03-05T05:48:40.413-08:00"The fallout from this debacle now threatens ..."The fallout from this debacle now threatens to impugn the honor and reputations of all BC Liberal MLAs and candidates." -<br /><br />Uhhh, sorry Martyn, it's too late. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-52612456441583073782013-03-04T23:27:20.723-08:002013-03-04T23:27:20.723-08:00Awesome analysis MB BT and I can add a vouch that ...Awesome analysis MB BT and I can add a vouch that the section about role of Lieut Gov is fair and accurate - Christy shld go asap and L-G can and shld empower an interim regime -JMTwiggJohn Twiggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-66656908448017862442013-03-04T23:16:52.909-08:002013-03-04T23:16:52.909-08:00Having Martyn Brown give ethical advice to the Pre...Having Martyn Brown give ethical advice to the Premier is akin to asking the builders of Leaky Condo's to now come back and tell us how to fix them! <br /><br />I have the utmost respect for you Bill. Your work and your integrity are beyond reproach. Please do not sully your reputation by allowing a person of such dubious distinction as Marty Brown to publish his drivel, for lack of a better term, on your excellent blog. <br /><br />Out of respect for the decorum you have established on your blog I will refrain from using the more descriptive words that I feel truly describe Martyn Brown and his sudden embrace of ethical leadership principles.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-89109111397106957892013-03-04T22:30:06.112-08:002013-03-04T22:30:06.112-08:00Mr Brown has made a remarkable recover on his memo...Mr Brown has made a remarkable recover on his memory problem.<br /><br />Let's re-open BC Rail...Kimhttp://www.sistersagesmusings.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-68167601481185837202013-03-04T22:27:52.388-08:002013-03-04T22:27:52.388-08:00Actually Martyn there have been TWO Premiers, one ...Actually Martyn there have been TWO Premiers, one that Did resign, and the current one who Should..... both BC Liberals.<br /><br />As you have pointed out what Premier Christy Clark should be doing at this time, did you use the same persuasive wording (argument) with Premier Gordon Campbell in November of 2010?<br /><br />Was it the introduction of the HST or the $6 million Indemnity payout in the BC Rail Trial that were just two of many influencing factors that forced Campbell to make his decision to jump.... or was it that he didn't want it record in Wikipedia that his "popularity" in his last days as Premier went well below 9%?... like Zero.North Van's Grumpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571810726275726952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-38669368044564837452013-03-04T22:24:56.456-08:002013-03-04T22:24:56.456-08:00RATS ATTACKING RATS AS THE "SS CHESTY" G...RATS ATTACKING RATS AS THE "SS CHESTY" GOES DOWN BY THE . . . BRA!<br /><br />The GREAT SATANAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-90390353281539887622013-03-04T22:24:00.023-08:002013-03-04T22:24:00.023-08:00A tad wordy, like 400,000 words too many, sheesh.
...A tad wordy, like 400,000 words too many, sheesh.<br /><br />I`ll sum it up in fewer.<br /><br /><br />The flawed investigation Christy offered is more egregious than was the initial ethnicgate leak!<br /><br />It really is that simple.<br /><br /><br />Grant Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944976348166120530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-82385920829751897132013-03-04T22:09:43.604-08:002013-03-04T22:09:43.604-08:00"Either way, the Premier’s avoidance of minis..."Either way, the Premier’s avoidance of ministerial responsibility is unacceptable. "<br /><br />That doesn't quite say it all. <br /><br />When it is considered a viable tactic that a Minister, seemingly not connected other than happening to be in the portfolio when the reveal happens (but not when the deeds happened) step down to protect those involved, it simply shows that not only is the Premier, the party handlers, the Cabinet, and caucus but also the party membership's denial of responsibility is unacceptable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-16196462063078039872013-03-04T22:03:28.713-08:002013-03-04T22:03:28.713-08:00"Either way, the Premier’s avoidance of minis..."Either way, the Premier’s avoidance of ministerial responsibility is unacceptable. "<br /><br />And that nearly says it all - she ,handlers , cabinet and caucus have distorted view of responsibility when a Minister resigns in the misguided notion that responsibility is not for the leader to bare.david soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05418621112483014819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-47587128204292116972013-03-04T22:00:42.501-08:002013-03-04T22:00:42.501-08:00You should have warned us it was a novel and not a...You should have warned us it was a novel and not a short horror show, Bill. Couldn't stomach any more than about a third. I just don't understand what Brown is trying to do. I guess we need screed writers, too.Richard Bellhttp://www.tooldforthisgame.bc.canoreply@blogger.com