tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post5497218624438017263..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: How the BC NDP Blew the Election - A series of unfortunate events, indeed.Bill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-461245782378821452013-05-30T23:30:50.907-07:002013-05-30T23:30:50.907-07:00The real losers in this election are the taxpayers...The real losers in this election are the taxpayers of B.C. $60 Billion and climbing with only a bulls$%t promise of LNG and a surplus.<br />Just like Harper and his DEBTCLOCK.ca. A full blown depression is not too far with runaway debt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-2327956963349225582013-05-29T10:13:20.444-07:002013-05-29T10:13:20.444-07:00The election was not lost by the NDP because of po...The election was not lost by the NDP because of polling. The NDP lost because they simply were too complacent and many of the NDP supporters stayed home.<br /><br />The NDP obviously did their own polling and had riding results from the door to door and phone canvass, and that should have given the NDP action to take. How they could have missed within their own campaign is astounding to say the least. <br /><br />So it's now blame the pollsters and not the primary cause (the NDP's lack of attention, Dix's flip flops, and being too nice in the blood sport of politics). <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-42863501108271146242013-05-28T06:59:45.996-07:002013-05-28T06:59:45.996-07:00WAC Bennett would not allow such polls and we now ...WAC Bennett would not allow such polls and we now see part of the reason why.Not anon DPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-84795781918205284942013-05-27T17:05:01.186-07:002013-05-27T17:05:01.186-07:00I think your analysis ignores the central point: t...I think your analysis ignores the central point: that the polls were completely wrong from start to finish, yet you speak as if you accepted their validity throughout the campaign. Despite declining numbers for the full length of the campaign, on election day, all the polls were still showing the NDP with a very comfortable 7% lead, which lead a good part of the (lazy and thoughtless) NDP base to conclude, somewhat understandably, that they didn’t need to vote….with disastrous results, at least from my view point. That anybody would conclude, as you do, that totally inaccurate polls were not a major factor, given what they were saying prior to election day and the subsequent results, leaves me completely puzzled.<br />Far too many politicians…..and pundits, have come to depend completely on questionable polls instead of the basics that got the BC NDP elected the first time around: making sure that the party base was both energized and present and accounted for: and doing an thorough job of showing the Liberal party for what it is: a disastrous failure at governing on behalf of the people, and whose platform was a complete mélange of deceit and outrageous lies.<br />Forget letting the polls guide the empty strategy and get a lot more shoe leather ringing doorbells.<br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03662478167784018179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-63104068271674391172013-05-26T12:09:48.840-07:002013-05-26T12:09:48.840-07:00The NDP must clearly state their policies in the e...The NDP must clearly state their policies in the election campaign. Their policies were some of the best but the voters did not know them. They cannot rely on the media to state them as the media does no research on any of the issues. They are just mouthpieces for the BC Liberals. I wonder how many people went to the BC NDP website to see their policies. I expect none of the press did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-38343890842096616182013-05-26T03:45:01.639-07:002013-05-26T03:45:01.639-07:00The NDP's only chance is to move to the centre...The NDP's only chance is to move to the centre, get Horgan as leader and cleanse the current strategists. <br />NDP sadly needs a new brain trust and some people with cojones. Sihota and the Trojan horse Topp were pathetic and Dix is damaged goods that will never be premier. Christy Clark and Adrian Dix are like Lucy and Charlie Brown and that's why the NDP will never get to kick the footbal until the channel changes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-74023008857147999202013-05-24T20:21:04.212-07:002013-05-24T20:21:04.212-07:00"G W Bush twice got elected by illegal counts..."G W Bush twice got elected by illegal counts of the vote - don't take for granted that it didn't just happen in BC."<br /><br />See the silly comments are back.<br /><br />Would this be said if the NDP actually won the election?<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-507121662326510072013-05-24T17:09:07.263-07:002013-05-24T17:09:07.263-07:00Yeah, it's a grim story if you believe it.
Bu...Yeah, it's a grim story if you believe it.<br /><br />But I wonder if the election was somehow rigged and that's why everybody was wrong about the result.<br /><br />The conservatives used illegal means in their last election so they aren't really legitimate in the eyes of many Canadians, G W Bush twice got elected by illegal counts of the vote - don't take for granted that it didn't just happen in BC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-48800755162457215672013-05-23T13:29:30.433-07:002013-05-23T13:29:30.433-07:00Dix and Moe should go, today. They, like, Jan O...Dix and Moe should go, today. They, like, Jan O'Brian, are left overs from a party that the voters (fairly or unfairly) rejected in 2001. Dix was the wrong person to lead the party and Moe forced in as president with no input or say from the members or even provincial council. It was a done deal by the time if got there.<br /><br />You claim you didn't hear people expressing wrong about Dix before the election. I'm not sure who you are talking to but it wasn't the same people I know. From day one there was a quiet but strong undertone that Dix was the wrong choice. That his baggage was too much and would come back to hit the NDP in the election. And it did.<br /><br />You also didn't talk to party staff and insiders, who nearly a year before the election, talked about how Dix was too much of a micromanager and refused to take advice from anyone but his group of one or two.<br /><br />I spoke to staff 18 months before the election that said we wouldn't win because of this. Even with 20% lead they still expressed concern.<br /><br />There are many things that went into this lost, but Dix was a huge part of it. He has to go and take his buddy Moe with him. The members of the party need to get back into control and kicked out the old boys and move forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-44596683519289914952013-05-23T07:26:02.843-07:002013-05-23T07:26:02.843-07:00So what is a qualification to lead the province? A...So what is a qualification to lead the province? Adrian Dix's claim to fame other than being an MLA is being<br />an assistant to a Premier. He's never been a Minister of anything.<br /><br />Christy has been a Minister, although her skills in governing the past two years are abysmal.<br /><br />Washington State Ferries is quite different than BC Ferries, it's in a more populated area than BC Ferries is, and the routes are heavily subsidized.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-63631081014162244162013-05-23T05:55:00.038-07:002013-05-23T05:55:00.038-07:00Adrian Dix missed a golden opportunity to win the ...Adrian Dix missed a golden opportunity to win the election. He needed to remind voters that if the Liberals won, there would be no BC Rail inquiry. He needed to remind voters that the premier wasted 9 million dollars trying to persuade voters to support the HST. He should have said that the Liberals lied about the HST and had plans to adopt it well before the 2009 election. <br /><br />He should have promised never to cancel a session of the legislature unlike the lazy premier who cancelled a fall session. He also needed to talk about BC's crown jewels, BC Rail, BC Hydro and BC Ferries. He needed to tell voters that the Liberals were privatizing what belonged to the people of BC. He should have said that Washington Ferries were cheaper to ride and had more ridership. This would have resonated with voters.<br /><br />I'm a right-winger, but in my opinion, the premier is completely unqualified to lead the province. Les Zsoldoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09153074077833202740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-34456035291974740952013-05-22T23:51:25.745-07:002013-05-22T23:51:25.745-07:00I agree with Matt. It all comes down to optics. Im...I agree with Matt. It all comes down to optics. Image is everything, and swing voters make up their minds in the ballot box based on fear. If my old mother in-law votes based on which leader appears to be the most confident and answers questions very directly (regardless if it's true or not) then I'm guessing others do the same. Dix needs a image makeover and some better debating skills. If he can do that then he will have my mother in-law's vote, along with the rest of the fearful, uninformed swing voters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-12032090109917515372013-05-22T20:37:24.733-07:002013-05-22T20:37:24.733-07:00The only reason Skelly's 1986 vote total is th...The only reason Skelly's 1986 vote total is the "highest" ever for the NDP is that it was the last election where dual member ridings existed and so many urban NDP voters got to vote twice. Adjust that out and it is more likely the case that Harcourt holds the record for highest NDP vote getter. I leave the math to you or to a political scientist with the smarts to calculate it out to the nth degree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-57197672302273084022013-05-22T19:08:46.981-07:002013-05-22T19:08:46.981-07:00IT seems that some of the anons here are all exper...IT seems that some of the anons here are all experts in things political.The havn't got the ability to try a on line name but can tell all others just how dumb the folks are. And they know Bill won't delete their rantsNot anon DPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-69497939792750870042013-05-22T17:53:55.340-07:002013-05-22T17:53:55.340-07:00Sorry but I have to say this. You Lieberals are lu...Sorry but I have to say this. You Lieberals are lunatics! Man, If the NDP had 1/10 of your scandals the devil yourself would dispose every NDP voter into hell for perpetuity. You have all the patience all the trust for a party who has shown us nothing but the opposite. Really,you disgust me!And for the way you won the election, based on fears and lies. Congratulations. Hope your home and business life mirrors that positive messaging. No thanks to your negativity. No thanks to your U.S. style politicking. Think squarely, do some good, help save the children. Bruce Pinard proud not to vote liberal...........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-23838348142999469042013-05-22T12:05:52.817-07:002013-05-22T12:05:52.817-07:00I think you fail,like the NDP membership, to see t...I think you fail,like the NDP membership, to see the Moe & Adrian baggage issue. Why would anyone vote for that kind of leadership? The guilty parties involved in the 90s scandals have been rewarded with positions, and salaries, In my circles The NDP is just not trusted to govern. 2017 will be the same unless the 90s mess is swept up and put out with the trash!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-10203183002814968442013-05-22T10:40:02.126-07:002013-05-22T10:40:02.126-07:00Dix is toxic goods, a left-over from the Glen Clar...Dix is toxic goods, a left-over from the Glen Clark years, which were so successful the NDP was left with two seats.<br /><br />But the Faithful, you included, Bill, loved Clark. After all, he paid you $90,000 for some really easy work, so you shill for him day in and day out.<br /><br />Glen Clark, through is proxy, is the gift that keeps on giving the Liberals election victories.<br /><br />You'll never learn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-85210814365927942722013-05-22T10:37:01.101-07:002013-05-22T10:37:01.101-07:00Bill, how much of your NDP support comes from the ...Bill, how much of your NDP support comes from the fact Glen Clark paid you $90,0000 for six months' work? <br /><br />How much of the NDP's failure had to do with the public's dislike of Clark and Dix's little paper-hanging thing, for which he was very nicely rewarded with $70,000 in taxpayer's money?<br /><br />Quite a lot, I would say.<br /><br />Every single person who had anything to do with Glen Clark, you included, Bill, should be shown the door, along with Chairman Moe, whose only ethical record is hardly much to brag about.<br /><br />However, since yourself and yourself worship Glen Clark, even though he practically destroyed your party, you'll keep Dix. You'll lose the next election, too, and then proceed to blame everyone but yourselves.<br /><br />Adrian Dix: the gift who keeps on giving-election wins to tne Liberals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-57700121519995757622013-05-22T09:35:42.403-07:002013-05-22T09:35:42.403-07:00Get Dix out of his suit coat! Role those sleeves u...Get Dix out of his suit coat! Role those sleeves up and be determined. That's it!!!!!!!!! Optics, optics, optics, optics, optics infinity and beyond................ Matt Hadenough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-13179475075596362642013-05-22T09:28:25.543-07:002013-05-22T09:28:25.543-07:00Maybe if Dix was willing to slap on a wig. Work on...Maybe if Dix was willing to slap on a wig. Work on a plasticine smile. Move some belly fat up to appropriate areas one practical step at a time. Optically speaking, would have left Liperals dazed and confused. Who's paying the enormous mary kay cosmetic invoice? For an old gal approaching 50 will tax payers be on the hook for an "optic conversion?" Reality; gravity undoubtedly an issue 2017. Matt HadenoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-44997852744812492692013-05-22T08:15:55.251-07:002013-05-22T08:15:55.251-07:00Leave Dix in position. He cleans the floor with th...Leave Dix in position. He cleans the floor with the big mouthed lady who is Premier but doesn't hold a seat. Dix promised to be nice and logical, she simply lied through her teeth. But enough of the public believed her fear tactics to give her the job. The old Socialists are at the gate is still alive in BC. We are stuck with the Libs for another four years so why drop Adrian unless he wants to leave.The opposition is fairly large and the critics have time to get a handle on their roll.<br /><br />Mt. T's article is quite good as far as I see it.DPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-2743232172209980282013-05-22T08:11:24.594-07:002013-05-22T08:11:24.594-07:00The NDP and the BC Liberals used the same pollster...The NDP and the BC Liberals used the same pollster, but they each got different results?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-66021778969354866652013-05-22T02:27:02.662-07:002013-05-22T02:27:02.662-07:00Mostly concur with this analysis. Although I thin...Mostly concur with this analysis. Although I think it is worth underlining the failure of the NDP to win the argument on the economy again as a central reason for the loss and not so much Dix and the personal attacks on him, whom nevertheless should still take full responsibility for everything as leader. Some are claiming Dix was a poor choice in the first place because of his baggage but if you look at the accurate Ipsos E-day poll, Dix beat Clark on trust, and open and honest government despite the massive smear campaign. Ipsos showed a huge disparity on the key economic question which I believe was more of a salient factor. Nevertheless I think Bill is right about Kinder Morgan being a gamechanger and that the negative attacks on Dix's character helped make his Transmountain caveat more damaging. Technically Dix never changed his position as he was still waiting for whatever Kinder Morgan would end up formally submitting before publicly deciding on the proposal, and which is consistent with having a condition where turning Vancouver into a major tar sands export port would be a nonstarter. There were already other environmental conditions, like the project being reviewed by an independent provincial assessment. The principle was consistent but too clever-by-half and nuanced and vulnerable for distortion by the corporate media. Like 2009 the media spun and fabricated a pseudo-scandal on the NDP's environmental position. Dix's conditions were very similar to Clark's convoluted "5 conditions" but the media were deafeningly silent on that despite having frothing paroxysms over Dix's consistent position.<br /><br />And I would strongly agree with the last part of the piece too Bill. The campaign was clearly a disaster but it's worth noting that Dix had also been one of the most successful opposition leaders in the history of the NDP up to that point. Would be a mistake to throw away that potential after one loss, one comparable to 2009 which incidentally was against a more unpopular Liberal leader and a far worse campaigner. <br /><br />Dix should have one more shot. He simply failed to realize the expectations he himself had created by generating such an enormous and unprecedented lead.Adrian B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-8440437120851233042013-05-21T20:54:34.768-07:002013-05-21T20:54:34.768-07:00Great analysis. Sadly, I believe the trends that ...Great analysis. Sadly, I believe the trends that have been evident in BC politics over the last many decades are as true today as ever -- when the centre right is united, BC elections will go to the centre right party, whether Socred or Liberal, or what have you going into the future. The NDP has really only won one election (excluding scandal assisted 1991 or centre right-split 1996 wins) which was Dave Barrett in 1972.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-32160110356913456302013-05-21T19:32:20.714-07:002013-05-21T19:32:20.714-07:00I must wholeheartedly agree .sad but true , the tr...I must wholeheartedly agree .sad but true , the truth and honest plans for change loose to fear and lies. Gary robinsonnoreply@blogger.com