tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post5441847048374411322..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: The confusing positions of Mike Harcourt - former BC NDP member - and former BC premier Bill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-77423528206596498222014-04-10T15:22:37.227-07:002014-04-10T15:22:37.227-07:00SO now we see Jenny Kwan move into a $1.9 million ...SO now we see Jenny Kwan move into a $1.9 million dollar house in Kits,<br />while she is MLA for the DTES. <br /><br />So she is living a life that many poor people could not afford.<br /><br />If Kwan had any credibility left, she would take out a place to live along The Drive, and walk to her office on E. 1st. <br /><br />She like many talk the talk, but doesn't walk the walk.<br /><br />A Cadillac Socialist. Which isn't new.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-8169778065671825382014-04-06T10:29:12.470-07:002014-04-06T10:29:12.470-07:00Good riddance, Harcourt always was a big-time lose...Good riddance, Harcourt always was a big-time loser for all the reasons mentioned here and many more.<br /><br />Will it be oil and gas, the senate or corporate shill or ?<br /><br />His public three reasons for quitting the NDP are old and just as stupid as he is. Surely he could have come up with better reasons than those oldies. Stupid is as stupid does.<br /><br />The more things change the more they stay the same.<br /><br />There is no 'provincial government' worse and more corrupt than the BC Liars but I'm sure he will be welcomed there and profit nicely in the future. <br /><br />MALICIOUS COMMENT REMOVED <br /><br />Anyway glad to see him goooooo, also glad to see Carole, Mo and Jan gone. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-66179189624927646082014-04-05T09:02:30.906-07:002014-04-05T09:02:30.906-07:00Hey Mike,
Thanks for a completely unnecessary,mea...Hey Mike,<br /><br />Thanks for a completely unnecessary,meaningless and ultimately destructive act.<br /><br />Unfortunately Harcourt's given the BC Liberal friendly media the gift that keeps on giving, he'll be the go to guy for political comments from now on. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-68588096681759255492014-04-03T22:37:42.022-07:002014-04-03T22:37:42.022-07:00See The Great Devilled Ham has it wrong again. He ...See The Great Devilled Ham has it wrong again. He fails too to see the NDP getting donations from unions, the unions don't do that because they like the colour orange.<br /><br />Mike with a patronage goodie from Christy Clark? Not going to happen.<br /><br />Mike will resurrect the Civic Indepedents with Bill here as their communications guru before any patronage job from Christy ever happens.<br /><br />Be here when it does. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-44256232496261178902014-04-03T09:04:47.345-07:002014-04-03T09:04:47.345-07:00There is no mystery here, it matters not . . . Soc...There is no mystery here, it matters not . . . Socred, NDP or BC Lie-Beral they all end up chasing federal and provincial patronage and/or a profitable private sector job once they are out of office.<br /><br />These "QUISLINGS" promise the world to get elected, then start cutting the special-deals with "friends of the government or the party" and pocket their rewards $$$ down the road.<br /><br />I expect Mike will soon join Gordie Wilson at Christy Clark's patronage trough.<br /><br />The GREAT SATANAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-89451315999835955132014-04-02T21:50:00.403-07:002014-04-02T21:50:00.403-07:00This sounds a lot like Gordon Wilson hitching hims...This sounds a lot like Gordon Wilson hitching himself to the Liberals. The juicy appointment is next. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-61012384857018069522014-04-02T16:18:36.453-07:002014-04-02T16:18:36.453-07:00"He then proceeded to invest public $$$ in Ma..."He then proceeded to invest public $$$ in Mac Blo & open Claoquot sound to clear-cut logging, sparking one of the largest acts of civil disobedience in Canadian history"<br /><br />Which caused MB to close the Kennedy Lake Division and throw quite a few good paying IWA guys on the unemployment line. Nice goin' there ace. If there was an agreement to sustainable forestry practices, those jobs would most likely be there even under another owner. <br /><br />Progressive does mean progress. It does not mean pandering to the Kitsilano Latte Environmentalists.<br /><br />If the NDP panders to the urban environmentalists, say goodbye to any chance of being government. <br /><br />BC needs resource jobs but also a balance to social programs and sustainable development.<br /><br />Harcourt made errors, but so did Glen Clark, and Ujjal Dosanjh as well as Adrian Dix. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-39199635180822291312014-04-02T12:58:34.363-07:002014-04-02T12:58:34.363-07:00Mr. Harcourt leaving the NDP is outstanding news f...Mr. Harcourt leaving the NDP is outstanding news for British Columbia. Let's not forget his history: He was elected in 1991. Part of his election victory was due to his intense lobbying of the environmental movement. He promised to 'end the war in the woods'. He then proceeded to invest public $$$ in Mac Blo & open Claoquot sound to clear-cut logging, sparking one of the largest acts of civil disobedience in Canadian history. His attempt to shut down the protest through the AG's office (run by Colin Gableman at the time), by shifting the charge from civil to criminal contempt of court, blew up in his face. It is widely viewed as one of the darkest chapters in BC jurisprudence. In the end, he lost. And his attempt to criminalize those arrested (of which I was one) was shot down by the appeals court.<br />His departure, along with that of Moe Sihota means the NDP can finally shed their neo-liberal dinosaur thinking, STOP trying to pander to BC's non-existent 'center vote', and look to the future. If the NDP actually becomes a progressive party again, I might even consider voting for them.OccupyMedicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-54312455140256695232014-04-02T08:37:27.920-07:002014-04-02T08:37:27.920-07:00So how does one leave the NDP after a long time of...So how does one leave the NDP after a long time of devotion and service rising up through the party?<br /><br />Retire the membership and get the ire of members who were quite supportive of said person or..<br /><br />in a box..<br /><br />Strange party. No wonder they are in a mess. <br /><br />If someone prominent such as Harcourt leaves, the blame shouldn't be on the person, it should mean looking in within.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-79130104181326999842014-04-02T06:52:00.730-07:002014-04-02T06:52:00.730-07:00When Mike fell off his illegally built deck, no ha...When Mike fell off his illegally built deck, no hand rail's?, he may have scrambled his brain a bit. I am glad he gets around, and at the time I sure thought he fell on the sword way to early because of Nanaimo, but over all he is probably the most trustworthy senior politician in the last twenty years.<br /><br />Lary Waldman<br />Bowen IslandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-34632003778982503612014-04-02T02:47:57.624-07:002014-04-02T02:47:57.624-07:00As noted Mikes policy positions have been inconsis...As noted Mikes policy positions have been inconsistent. When he was Mayor of Vancouver he took a very strong stand against developing the "Southlands" Spetifore Farm in Delta when it was voted down by the GVRD (Metro Vancouver) Board. <br /><br />The BC Government approved removal of the land from the ALR with a requirement that the developer donate 230 acres to the GVRD/Metro Vancouver for a park. Harcourt and the GVRD voted against the plan in spite of the offer of free land. The GVRD subsequently paid the owner $7.5 million for the 230 acres to create Boundary Bay Regional Park.<br /><br />In spite of paying $7.5 million to keep the land in agriculture, Harcourt came out in favour of the most recent application to develop the Spetifore Farm. I for one, am pleased that Harcourt no longer speaks for the NDP.Harold.Steveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16169629505288219502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-64621167245088472232014-04-01T22:16:38.622-07:002014-04-01T22:16:38.622-07:00Harcourt had the answers. Simply the NDP has lost ...Harcourt had the answers. Simply the NDP has lost its way.<br /><br />The most laughable comment statement is "Carole didn't offer any support to our union when the company I worked for was union busting".<br /><br />So why should the NDP support any union? The NDP is there for the overall blue collar worker (as Harcourt says) union or not.<br /><br />Heed the advice of Harcourt. He was actually a good Premier even though he was boring. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-72542289663428657622014-04-01T20:53:52.538-07:002014-04-01T20:53:52.538-07:00Did Mike approach the media about this or vice ver...Did Mike approach the media about this or vice versa?<br /><br />I'm guessing the answer, and if I'm right, then I'm a cynic.<br /><br />We'll leave it at that.<br /><br />And just to clarify, I let my membership lapse after Carole didn't offer any support to our union when the company I worked for was union busting.<br /><br />Some local MLA's supported us, but not a peep out of Carole.<br /><br />Yeah, we weren't happy, my fellow members and I, after the thousands of dollars and hours we'd volunteered to past NDP campaigns.<br /><br />I've reupped again. We'lll see who gets to be leader.<br /><br />I don't know what game Mike is playing, but really. Why, Mike, why?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-36866514135726134682014-04-01T19:54:28.608-07:002014-04-01T19:54:28.608-07:00Could it be that Mike Harcourt has been offered a ...Could it be that Mike Harcourt has been offered a job he couldn't refuse with big oil and gas. Juat asking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-43836532692944744602014-04-01T19:52:08.481-07:002014-04-01T19:52:08.481-07:00Is it possible that he has been offered a good job...Is it possible that he has been offered a good job with oil and gas industry. Just asking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-46001275585149238862014-04-01T18:09:06.603-07:002014-04-01T18:09:06.603-07:00Harcourt didn't have to announce his lapsing m...Harcourt didn't have to announce his lapsing membership---but he did. I can't help but get the feeling there's an element of calculation going on here. Finally, after some embarrassing, hear-a-pin-drop silence, the race to replace Adrian Dix is on with the second and third place leadership contenders from last time having lately declared---or should I say, re-declared? Is there a timeliness factor here? Did Mike hint at his preference between the two? It's hard to tell but John Horgan sure didn't drop a stitch in picking up the narrative.In any case, he doesn't have to walk around on eggs trying to explain his qualified approval of LNG and Kinder Morgan now that Mike's written himself into the script.<br /><br />I think Carole James' demise has as much to do with her reluctance to move in for the kill when her rival was on his knees (because of BC Rail and the HST) as it did with her failure to win her previous two elections. Watching Campbell twisting in the wind with nary a peep from his opponent had to be more frustrating for NDPers than lost elections of days gone by---they're used to that, after all. Yes, both Mike and Carole are siblings of moderation but I wouldn't expect Mike to pass over, without mention, a truckload of BC Liberal transgressions just because their leader got bit by a couple of them. Mike's insinuation that Carole got gooned by some sort of NDP goon faction of which he disapproved curiously and conveniently glosses over the fact that MLAs simply doing their jobs by conveying their constituents' leadership concerns ---to the leader herself, of all people!--were summarily isolated and attacked. Who was the real goon-squad here?...it seems you might not get a clear answer from Mike on that one. <br /><br />His point's taken on the Kinder Morgan aspect of the election loss---that Dix's flip-flop left resource-based workers in the cold. But that's been clear from flip-flop day forward. There is much, much more to the loss than just KM, however pipeline proponents like to analyze it (that is, paint the NDP loss as a de facto approval of pipelines in general). <br /><br />I'm more inclined to think Harcourt spotted a space to insert his influence into the NDP narrative, a simple, good old fashioned tree shaking, an attempt at rewriting what has been looking like an NDP tragicomedy. By saying things from the outside (symbolically, perhaps) that no one dares say on the inside has stirred up more interest in the NDP than anything else since last May's electoral thrashing. It's got the feel of real drama, finally.scotty on denmannoreply@blogger.com