tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post5364039265824814296..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: BC NDP leader Carole James speaks to business Friday night at $295 per plate fundraiser - outlines party's approachBill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-69323707170126635722010-09-29T07:44:41.235-07:002010-09-29T07:44:41.235-07:00Re Anon 10:02:
WTF has Glen Clark got to do w/this...Re Anon 10:02:<br />WTF has Glen Clark got to do w/this blog and why is it that these campbolods always go back to GC?<br />Google how gordo sabotaged GC over a $14,000 porch, Media coverage was relenless for weeks, especially W/RCMP in Glen's house.<br />MSM = CanWaste, Globull TV, CTV,<br /><br />First and foremost- I have NEVER supported Gordo's gang of liars and thieves.Never voted for them never will/ But I will state clearly that I have NO time for lies from anyone of any political stripe - my reference was to the "wriggle room" budget that was, well, disingenuous at best. A simple cure for the after election"It's worse than I thought" used by all would be to sign a legal document about keeping pre-election promises, not the same old same old. It could be called the Gordnocchio law. I don't like liars period. And the assumption that I'm a "campbolods" is beyond ridiculous. Is it wrong to want complete honesty from elected officials?Willy Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-39588522053155365962010-09-28T20:38:13.953-07:002010-09-28T20:38:13.953-07:00I would love to tell you how I see that SB, but I&...I would love to tell you how I see that SB, but I'm having trouble following your rambling. So we agree that the Liberals are morally bankrupt or as you put it, past bankrupt. I assume you don't agree that the NDP is also. Okay, you trust them, I don't. What exactly did you want me to comment about? Your decision as a Conservative to vote NDP? Why not vote Conservative like a lot of Liberal supporters will be doing in 2013?Wendynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-10253495584608125782010-09-28T10:45:35.996-07:002010-09-28T10:45:35.996-07:00I'm with you on this one Bill. Indeed the Howe...I'm with you on this one Bill. Indeed the Howe Streeters and their partners in greed may be in the market for a new party to support - BUT it won't be the NDP! When the Socreds self destructed, to a great extent by selling out W.A.C.'s legacy, the same old bunch of primarily right wing oriented worshippers of Thatcher and Reagan and Lyin' Brian just stole the Liberal name by discrediting Gordon Wilson (highly hypocritical too, considering what we now have in place of Gordon V. 1.0). <br /><br />If necessary, that thanks to the blatant lying and arrogance the Liberal brand is now unmarketable in BC, the same bunch will come up with another name - but it is unlikely to be under the banner of the NDP! <br /><br />In the meantime we could have an NDP administration while the right wing whackos wander around trying on Conservative, BC First etc. clothes until they come together under a new tent that keeps 'em on the same team and sells. The selling of course will be greatly expedited by their lackeys in the MSM who would criticize Carole James or any other NDP leader if they found a cure for cancer by claiming they put doctors out of work, or something. <br /><br />I know you must realize that the way the neo-cons and neo-liberals measure success, the GDP, even catastrophes and disease are GOOD, because they all generate business activity. Not only that but they confuse and scare the general population as explained by Naomi Klein in the "Shock Doctrine" causing people to vote against their own interests out of fear!<br /><br />Then at last and at least we won't have to hear about the bogus NDP deficits of the nineties or the Fast Ferries, because they will be able to demonize the caretaker NDP government that tried to serve the people while the reich wingers decided what to call themselves next time around. <br /><br />Highly flawed, but a drum that has been beaten for decades in BC is the idea that somehow unions are a nest of selfish and evil "special interests" while big business is apparently motivated by altrusim only!kootcoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11344208424209840730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-77638631073437202752010-09-28T10:07:51.712-07:002010-09-28T10:07:51.712-07:00Campbell, Hansen and the bogus BC Liberal party......Campbell, Hansen and the bogus BC Liberal party...Do not recognize the Constitution. Our Civil Rights and Liberties, have been taken away from the people. There is no such thing, as Democracy and Freedom. Corruption and greed, is what we BC citizens are governed by. And, a dictatorship is, what we are forced live by. 90% of the BC citizens are sick of, Campbell and Hansen's, lies, deceit and cheating to win attitudes. I have watched, Carol James in the Legislature. She is an excellent debater. I have watched her more than once, pin back the ears, of many a Liberal M.P. And, I feel sorry for anyone, having to clean up the corruption, of Campbell and Hansen. That will be the toughest job ever, in the history of BC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-42440662104366168482010-09-27T23:58:26.067-07:002010-09-27T23:58:26.067-07:00RE Wendy
[And the kicker, open government. Are you...RE Wendy<br />[And the kicker, open government. Are you kidding, Carole? Don't even bother making that promise, made by every candidate for what seems like forever. It seems we believed it when Campbell said it and we know how his word turned out. First you need to do something to convince me the NDP aren't as morally bankrupt as the Liberals.]<br /><br />I cant even wrap my head around how the Liberals in BC are open I did business with govts N America wide at all levels and now find teh worst place to get any info and the longest most exoensive adventure is here in BC since the BC Libs came to power its 10x worse hands down , I depended on accurate timely information from govts and in BC the only way to get that is by being a paying party insider look at BC Rail or Hydro tell me if those rose colored glasses came off. Morals you say so drunk driving is ok but only if you are a preimer and say sorry , lying about real plans to break contracts or sell off assets are not about morals i guess those political promises only count when they work in your favor .<br />How about tax breaks to all but wage earners and then HST for added help to the working class yep morals is what we should look at and if so the BC Liberals are past bankrupt when its about morals.<br />sad part is im a lifelong middle road conservative who has seen enough lying bullshit from Campbell to vote NDP now good job by Gord and his scammers tell me how you see that Wendy.SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-23983923149466448432010-09-27T18:08:06.193-07:002010-09-27T18:08:06.193-07:00I'll try to be polite but what I read can only...I'll try to be polite but what I read can only be described as hogwash. Very little substance, lots of promises and assurance that she has the answer to all our problems, Carole James as leader. Sorry, but I can't buy into any plan based on simple faith of the NDP again. (obviously Liberal is even more ridiculous)<br /><br />"The government's broken trust does not automatically translate into trust for New Democrats."<br /><br />No, we do need to do politics differently but I don't believe that will happen with the NDP.<br /><br />"My vision for British Columbia is based on four key priorities: . . ."<br /><br />Lets's look at her vision. Did she think she was setting herself apart from those who are pushing for a weak economy? And no real insight into how it will be accomplished.<br /><br />Her second point, education, is the best but still somewhat unclear on "the skills they need" - to do what? What income level will be the end result and will this be worth the cost to the individual or will it be 100% taxpayer funded? Sounds good but how will it work?<br /><br />Now I don't think should be touting sustainability and economic growth at the same time because they are contradictory but let's talk about the<br />"commitment". Is that hers or ours?<br /><br />And the kicker, open government. Are you kidding, Carole? Don't even bother making that promise, made by every candidate for what seems like forever. It seems we believed it when Campbell said it and we know how his word turned out. First you need to do something to convince me the NDP aren't as morally bankrupt as the Liberals.<br /><br />There are a couple of points, I'm not going to bother getting into because they're as ridiculous as most commenters here are oblivious to the extent of the atrocity of these ideas.<br /><br />As to thoughts about Carole James continuing to attempt to embrace business, I tend to agree with you Bill, it's not the way to get the NDP to a majority win, but as long as she is clear that it is not an attempt at gaining votes then she can knock herself out.<br /><br />As long as she is able to continually put good spin on her approach then she has nothing to lose. You know the NDP will be back in power (hopefully soon) and perhaps some dialogue prior to an election will somehow help her efforts at placating the business community after in order to maintain a smooth business/labour relationship.<br /><br />Personally, it's a non-issue to me whether she courts business or not, either way I wouldn't trust her enough to vote for her.Wendynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-77430341073144739162010-09-27T10:45:04.245-07:002010-09-27T10:45:04.245-07:00Boring. Simple aspect here:
It has been done befo...Boring. Simple aspect here:<br /><br />It has been done before, Mike Harcourt tried that and kept going on about "the business cycle".<br /><br />NDP and business are two words that don't go together as the NDP has never been business friendly (and neither have many supporters of the NDP)<br /><br />The BC Liberals are too business friendly. <br /><br />The NDP will still cater to the whims of public sector unions as the BC Liberals cater to the whims of the boys and girls on Howe Street.<br /><br />Nothing will change.<br /><br />She's fooling herself and her party if she thinks she is going to be bringing a mdoerate somewhat business friendly NDP with a tint<br />of labour into BC politics.<br /><br />Not going to happen.<br /><br />Try another leader and see where that goes.<br /><br />She's tried two times and failed to become Premier.<br /><br />What does that tell you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-88833953679391873272010-09-27T10:02:54.925-07:002010-09-27T10:02:54.925-07:00Willy P
"While I can't or would never ha...Willy P <br />"While I can't or would never have voted for the Liberal liars, I find I'm having a hard time putting an x beside my NDP candidate from the Glen Clark hangover"<br />WTF has Glen Clark got to do w/this blog and why is it that these campbolods always go back to GC?<br />Google how gordo sabotaged GC over a $14,000 porch, Media coverage was relenless for weeks, especially W/RCMP in Glen's house. <br />MSM = CanWaste, Globull TV, CTV,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-28702645379787223222010-09-27T09:20:43.301-07:002010-09-27T09:20:43.301-07:00Um, why is climate change still a crises issue in ...Um, why is climate change still a crises issue in BC when it is a dead issue everywhere else?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-90293885419434284982010-09-27T06:55:34.027-07:002010-09-27T06:55:34.027-07:00I have read many articles and have talked with man...I have read many articles and have talked with many individuals who all say the same thing. They would like to support the NDP, but NOT with Carol as leader. I realize she will not step down and I must say that unless she does, it will not go well for the party. People are looking for true inspiration & leadership and just being " nice " as she say's about herself will not cut it. There's a reason they say " nice guy's always finish last ". Ms. James has been asked many time if she will be around for the next election and the answer is always the same, that she will lead her party. I think the real question they should be asking is, If you lose the next election, will you step down ?<br /><br />Guy in VictoriaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-68126917031213190602010-09-27T05:48:54.539-07:002010-09-27T05:48:54.539-07:00She has nothing to lose playing the cards , busine...She has nothing to lose playing the cards , business loses because she made the attempt and can say i did invite them id say well planned to do this as the NDP can take Victoria now with a Coombs goat as leader business should listen though much of what she says makes sense but of course that will be why they dont.SBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-88425660374991931862010-09-26T21:09:17.189-07:002010-09-26T21:09:17.189-07:00Look south and see how well Carol's propositio...Look south and see how well Carol's proposition is working out for Barrack.<br /><br />At the end of the day - be fair. Restore fair taxation, restore proper environmental regs, restore workplace regs, restore social infrastructure - and do you think BIG business BC is going to support this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-36851419677265335612010-09-26T14:12:09.364-07:002010-09-26T14:12:09.364-07:00I stand corrected in my earlier comment. The local...I stand corrected in my earlier comment. The local Radio station just mentioned that the province finally ponied up 100,000 for the boat house. A photo op for the two local MLA's who under their own steam wouldn't know where the lake actually is. The feds put money in quite awhile ago. Guess we missed the big money eventAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-4496423275480123432010-09-26T13:54:18.943-07:002010-09-26T13:54:18.943-07:00Speaking of change. A rowing regatta at Elk Lake t...Speaking of change. A rowing regatta at Elk Lake today had the two MLA's from the area, on the recall list show up. We have been been showing up at regattas for many years as two of our grand kids have rowed for years locally and out of the country, still do. Never saw either of those recall subjects at the lake for any event. Another drone Little Garry Lunn showed up as well. Are we expecting not only recall but a federal election. The Canadian National Rowing team did some racing as well. They are there to support the up and coming younger set. So what were the Liberal MLA's doing? Looking out for themselves. What a sleazy bunchDPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-88289066978660806612010-09-26T13:23:04.152-07:002010-09-26T13:23:04.152-07:00Is she willing to sign a commitment to what was st...Is she willing to sign a commitment to what was stated or will weasel words come to the fore front again? I want HONESTY, not pie in the sky, lies, and half truths -no WRIGGLE ROOM. Our last NDP premier lied about a budget deficit, the next moron created one and hasn't stopped to stream of bullspit since. <br />I'm quite sure that I'm not alone in being fed up with politicians that are bald faced liars of ALL brands.<br />While I can't or would never have voted for the Liberal liars, I find I'm having a hard time putting an x beside my NDP candidate from the Glen Clark hangover. Or the fool that said "We can do anything we want- we're the government" (Dave Zirnhelt , I believe)<br /><br />Is she willing to sign a legal paper committing to keeping her promises or resign? That's the commitment I and many others in our province want- anything else is just talk.Willy Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-83817831680282679032010-09-26T12:55:57.125-07:002010-09-26T12:55:57.125-07:00I think that she delivered a remarkable speech.
...I think that she delivered a remarkable speech. <br />It will certainly raise the ire of business that is built on greed and without any moral obligation to someone other then their bottom line. <br />I am not sure how anyone who is upset with the little delusional dictator Gordo and his band of goose stepping idiots, would not agree with Carol James. <br />But yes it will be difficult to convince people to realize that change is good, after all we, most of us, live our lives without making changes, because it is the easiest thing to do. <br />That is why we are now mired in the political morass of political corruption led by big business, wealth, greed and Gordo, their lying, morally defective, talking head. <br />Let me remind you of a speech made by a very wealthy man, on January 20th, 1961. <br />. . . we observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom—symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning—signifying renewal, as well as change. . . . <br />. . . We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. . . Find full text here: http://bit.ly/a5n7yc<br />Listen as well to this same wealthy man's speech where he warns of what greed and secrecy creates. Find speech here: http://youtu.be/xhZk8ronces<br />It is no wonder that those that wanted the absolute power over the world sought his assassination. <br />I am not an America.<br />I am a Canadian, living in British Columbia, and I believe that we, the people, have the right of humanity, a free and open government, a living wage, a right to be educated, a right to be treated when we are sick, a right to live in peace, a right not to be controlled by big business greed, and a right to live with dignity.<br />I also believe that we, the people, have an obligation to be involved in the governing of this province, by being able to trust, the open and honest leaders that we elect to manage our business. <br />The assassination of the Lieberal opposition will not be committed by weapon, but is an insidious, on going investment of propaganda fueled by the greed of the wealthy supporters of Gordo and his goose stepping band of sheep. <br />They are counting on 'fear' and the mindset of people that, 'it is too hard to change, so let us roast the people that will try'. <br />Time for change, fellow BCers. <br />Do you want the status quo?PJnoreply@blogger.com