tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post5325899817291503394..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: Tieleman: Basi and Virk guilty of being pawns in $1 billion game all the big players wonBill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-71102132018274197082010-10-28T14:03:01.544-07:002010-10-28T14:03:01.544-07:00"1)Let us not forget that part of the BC Rail..."1)Let us not forget that part of the BC Rail deal involved 600 to 800 million for Container Tracks a facilities for the new Port in Prince Rupert ! "<br /><br />I would doubt that. The container terminal in Prince |Rupert is served by CN Rail, and was not part of any infrastructure surrounding BC Rail. The containe facility there has since expanded to increase capacity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-80041334767334304752010-10-28T09:29:38.626-07:002010-10-28T09:29:38.626-07:00I wanted to watch the video of Bill's, Public ...I wanted to watch the video of Bill's, Public on Line. I am not able to, access it. I have tried several times. Has anyone else had the same problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-63919340280296110042010-10-27T18:33:48.221-07:002010-10-27T18:33:48.221-07:00Thank you Bill T. We all appreciate the hard, and...Thank you Bill T. We all appreciate the hard, and, the time consuming work you have done. I think you are too honest and up front, for some of your opponents. The truth, is more than they can bear. Because, you are always so dammed right.<br /><br />GloriaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-59106983706713251972010-10-27T17:09:11.502-07:002010-10-27T17:09:11.502-07:00HST & the BC Rail Court Costs all in one story...HST & the BC Rail Court Costs all in one story ?<br /><br /><br />From: Steve Dockeray <br />Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 2:04 PM<br />To: c c ; mailto:cclark@cknw.com ; nw ws ; nwnews ; programming com <br />Subject: 720 grand in HST -<br /><br /><br /><br />720 grand in HST - Did we have to pay HST on Basi\Virk Fees ? ie: 12% of 100 Bucks = 12 Bucks -- or 12% of 1 million bucks = 120,000 bucks --- Multiply 120,000 by 6 ( million ) & it = 720,000 bucks in HST at a time when we are Gutting & Rolling back many social programs etc. in BC !!!<br /> <br /><br />steve dockeray<br />milner bc<br />canadaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-5248926250920063562010-10-27T17:03:29.732-07:002010-10-27T17:03:29.732-07:001)Let us not forget that part of the BC Rail deal ...1)Let us not forget that part of the BC Rail deal involved 600 to 800 million for Container Tracks a facilities for the new Port in Prince Rupert ! <br /><br />2)Let us not forget that the BC Rail deal left the upkeep & upgrading of BC Rail tracks & track beds to the BC Tax Payer ! ( The exact same thing Happened when it came to new Private , Run of the River of the River Projects i.e.: The BC Tax Payer must pay for getting power lines to the Private Power Producers – I wonder how much cash that is ? )<br /><br />From: Steve Dockeray <br />Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 2:53 PM<br />To: jmccomb ; nw ws ; nwnews ; t t <br />Subject: Here is a simple BC Rail question i have been asking for years =+<br /><br /><br />Here is a simple BC Rail question i have been asking for years = Garry Collins said deal was revenue neutral ( we gave away BC Rail for Nadda ) - Kevin Falcon said BC had 1 billion buck cheque from CN = who lied & did we give away BC Rail to CN ?<br /> <br /> <br />steve dockeray<br />milner bc<br />canadaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-35575616427556674062010-10-27T14:30:39.825-07:002010-10-27T14:30:39.825-07:00"Sorry Anon 12:02, a lot of taxpayers simply ..."Sorry Anon 12:02, a lot of taxpayers simply don't believe those two guys acted on their own or are happy the bill was a number of millions and counting. If we are to believe anon, those two aids to Liberal Cabinet ministers had no smarts which would indicate that the cabinet ministers were not very smart either.They were acting like high rollers because their bosses let them act the way they did.I often wonder if some of the anons are the flunkies that record every word, in the scrums, that their political masters say."<br /><br />Not a question of whether they acted on their own (obviously they did not), but it is question of it is them themselves to blame as they actually did the actions that somehow a few people in here think they should be grieved over for. <br /><br />I disagree. It was their choice personnally to go ahead with that nonsense. WOuld be true there would be other schmucks to take their place, but they made the move it was a grossly wrong one.<br /><br />I blame Gordo, Kiernan, Brown and others and also blame those two for doing it.<br /><br />It was their choice and they decided to do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-92120988258729636352010-10-27T13:12:54.079-07:002010-10-27T13:12:54.079-07:00In my opinion, this gives the next government, the...In my opinion, this gives the next government, the NDP government, the absolute right to revoke the sale of BC Rail and revert it back to Crown Corporation status. In fact, the BC Government should sue both CP Rail and the BC Liberal Party for their gross mishandling of this file that has soiled BC forever.Pete's Viewpointhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07500471660604607507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-51874715255265347032010-10-27T12:25:42.125-07:002010-10-27T12:25:42.125-07:0010:05 anonymous comment on who picked up the legal...10:05 anonymous comment on who picked up the legal tab, may not be true, the other part of the equation is, and was widely reported in the press and that is the BC Liberal government forgave Walls from returning the monies that he "borrowed" which is totally different from what happened to Basi.<br /><br />Why the double standard? <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/publiceyetelevision#p/u/112/wHYtGu0PHgM<br /><br />Sean Holman You Tube <br />Can you believe itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-86283205538743585222010-10-27T10:22:25.459-07:002010-10-27T10:22:25.459-07:00"PABsmear 12:02 pm.... get your head out of y..."PABsmear 12:02 pm.... get your head out of your ass! The truth is that gordo covered up, lied, stole, and by all accounts is guilty and should be thrown in jail. I ask you sir / madam, if this was you, been "railroaded" by the ruling lieberals, would you not feel some animosity towards gordo and his den of thieves. Just check out his sordid history as premier. Better still, go back in the basement of the ledge building. You ignorant troll!"<br /><br />Again, Basi and Virk agreed to do it. They could have said no, blown the whistle and walked out but they smelt the money and were accessories to the political crime committed by El Gordo and friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-3276895819105926202010-10-27T07:35:30.628-07:002010-10-27T07:35:30.628-07:00I agree with the comments by Anonymous 5:17. Your ...I agree with the comments by Anonymous 5:17. Your coverage of this case was second to none. The PAB staffers and Gordon Campbell sympathizers are left to personal attacks and misinformation.<br /><br />I was intrigued by the comments of Anonymous 10:05. Bill could you do some research to see if this is true. I am sure the Doug Walls issue is something the bc liberals would like to leave buried.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-9843846187035102252010-10-26T23:00:40.834-07:002010-10-26T23:00:40.834-07:00That was the funniest crap I have read in a seriou...That was the funniest crap I have read in a seriously long time. I had no idea you were so creative Bill, but thanks for the laugh and keep up toe good humour. I think you should become a defence attorney, lord knows the RCMP could use a guy a with your talents defending them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-42660609271074249022010-10-26T22:05:41.318-07:002010-10-26T22:05:41.318-07:00Skookum1 do you think the Premier used the same ki...Skookum1 do you think the Premier used the same kind of language.... they're criminals, with Doug Walls after he pleaded guilty to fraud? Did you know that the BC Liberals (taxpayers) picked up the legal bills for Mr. Walls?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-27062545963586295182010-10-26T19:02:43.946-07:002010-10-26T19:02:43.946-07:00Why does something have to be "proven in cour...Why does something have to be "proven in court" or "entered into evidence" before it can be construed as true? Are we so forelock-tugging that we rely on a corrupt court process to decide to <i>allow</i> us to know what is true and what is not?<br /><br />Pretty funny for Campbell to call guys he hired for their known ruthlessness and ambition "criminals". It's like Capone saying - "those guys, yeah they worked for me, but they were 'hoods".Skookum1https://www.blogger.com/profile/02454267132163984177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-25418880231451483022010-10-26T17:17:04.341-07:002010-10-26T17:17:04.341-07:00Very good column Bill. If ANYBODY has the right to...Very good column Bill. If ANYBODY has the right to his/her informed opinion about this case its you. Unlike some in the lamestream media (and the pab staffer who published as Anonymous 12:02 pm) you attended the disclosure hearings, you took notes, followed up with questions, did good old fashioned research. Many many people in BC owe you a debt of gratitude for following this sordid affair from day one until its conclusion a few days ago.<br /><br />I chuckle when I hear some of the comments that claim you are off base etc. You have been a political staffer, you have navigated the corridors of power and witnessed first hand the machinations, scheming and wheeling and dealing behind the scenes.<br /><br />Your vantage point is particularly unique because of your experience.<br /><br />Kudos to you Bill Tieleman for all that you contributed to the people of BC as it pertains to this sad chapter in our history.<br /><br />I agree with you fully, Basi and Virk were pawns in a much bigger game of heavyweight political players who indeed pulled off the ultimate breach of trust by selling bc rail to their backroom boys and managed to silence via another backroom deal two people who know where the skeletons are buried and what really happened behind the scenes.<br /><br />Thanks again Bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-24006306491458457702010-10-26T17:01:54.069-07:002010-10-26T17:01:54.069-07:00Bill, you decide whether you want to include the ...Bill, you decide whether you want to include the rantings of an former NDP spin doctor, former associate lobbyist with Brian Keirans (retired just before the scandal) as a lobbyist and god forbid a Federal Liberal candidate (of which you right fully slammed me for) and now a political columnist for the North Shore News. (I personally know and have dealt with almost every character you have written about)<br /><br />You hit the nail right on the head, but unfortunately the story is so grand that it becomes convaluted. Hopefully other writers,broadcasters, politicians and concerned people will use the information that you have laid out so well to feed the greater population in bit sized pieces that we can all digest. It is truly an epic scandal as you outlined..thank youBill Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05005673978236470468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-47670783580531842922010-10-26T15:53:12.549-07:002010-10-26T15:53:12.549-07:00anon 12:02 I do agree with your fist 3 comments,th...anon 12:02 I do agree with your fist 3 comments,the rest is CRAP.istvannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-35240121137382147632010-10-26T15:48:26.778-07:002010-10-26T15:48:26.778-07:00"This Was a soppy column" This appears t..."This Was a soppy column" This appears to be the comments of a PAB that's still in a Liberal controlled mental home <br /> Campbell is probably sharing a bunk with him. Basi and Virk ,I don't think they have enough on the ball to handle this on their own. They were definitely being told what to do and were getting well paid for it. The RCMP i'm sure gathered up a lot of confidential/incriminating evidence that they are keeping from the general public. If they don't turn it over to the opposition then they are just as guilty as Campbell and all of his cabinet. I always thought the RCMP would be hot on the ass of these Liberal criminals. But when you get to the bottom of the barrel it<br />gets pretty rancid. Keep up the good work Bill.Without you it would have been a cover up by the government and their friends in the neocons news media.<br /> CKNW,the Sun TC etc are still having problems with the Glen Clark porch and Dave Stupich.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-6471082132463682092010-10-26T13:59:51.272-07:002010-10-26T13:59:51.272-07:00Thank you Bill for your summary. This matter canno...Thank you Bill for your summary. This matter cannot be left without further investigation. Not only have we lost a significant public resource, the deal itself may not be legally valid. Beyond this however are issues of transparency, governmental honesty and integrity, the process of governance and, as you mentioned, the honesty of the Liberals leading up to that election. These are legal and constitutional issues that need to be addressed.M. Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-9640266274355382412010-10-26T13:59:23.210-07:002010-10-26T13:59:23.210-07:00Wow - so Gordo is more vile and corrupt than I tho...Wow - so Gordo is more vile and corrupt than I thought (he did NOT err).<br /><br />Thanks for doing this Bill.terrencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-7596529369435615522010-10-26T13:44:39.678-07:002010-10-26T13:44:39.678-07:00Thanks, Bill, there is definitely lots more to une...Thanks, Bill, there is definitely lots more to unearth in this story.....Basi and Virk were not alone in this. I am sure they were acting as part and parcel of the culture of the Campbell government. <br />Brian Kieran's blog today praises disgraced ex-CEO of ICBC Paul Taylor as 'savvy choice' to replace Chief-of-Staff Martyn Brown. (Savvy in what? Illegal sale of ICBC claims cars?) Savvy at picking up an ICBC severance package of more than $500,000.00 then proceeding to a wind farm company weeks later picking up a severance package of $650,000.00 after a couple of months employment. What's the story there? What's behind these 'savvy' moves??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-41007869326301310502010-10-26T13:38:45.013-07:002010-10-26T13:38:45.013-07:00Sorry Anon 12:02, a lot of taxpayers simply don...Sorry Anon 12:02, a lot of taxpayers simply don't believe those two guys acted on their own or are happy the bill was a number of millions and counting. If we are to believe anon, those two aids to Liberal Cabinet ministers had no smarts which would indicate that the cabinet ministers were not very smart either.They were acting like high rollers because their bosses let them act the way they did.I often wonder if some of the anons are the flunkies that record every word, in the scrums, that their political masters say.DPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-32670790045538866042010-10-26T13:29:43.055-07:002010-10-26T13:29:43.055-07:00An excellent article that provides a more complete...An excellent article that provides a more complete picture of this tragedy - private and public, Bill.<br /><br />The BC fiberals were the architects of this travesty and now they are saying "Keep moving foks, there is nothing to see here". e.g. Anonymnous 12:02)<br /><br />Two fools" were central players as fiberal operatives, and one - Basi - regularly reported to Finance Minister Farrell-Collins (according to police telephone intercepts)on their political dirty tricks.<br /><br />The anonymous fiberal is right in one sense: British Columbians "have since moved on from it" - to Recalls throughout the province.Ronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-71441094426678565862010-10-26T13:08:51.321-07:002010-10-26T13:08:51.321-07:00The case is still open for 30 days after the Oct 1...The case is still open for 30 days after the Oct 18 court date - during that time ANYBODY can apply for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervenor#Canadian_practice" rel="nofollow">intervenor</a> status and ask for that decision be set aside... the trial could continue in the public interest.<br /><br />The trial is only over if you want it to be over Bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-23201834336461601322010-10-26T12:02:48.337-07:002010-10-26T12:02:48.337-07:00This was a soppy column. Real bleeding heart stuff...This was a soppy column. Real bleeding heart stuff. <br /><br />While Gordon Campbell et all erred spectacularly on the BC Rail Sale, Bill forgets one major thing in regards to Basi and Virk.<br /><br />Both of them decided upon themselves to continue with their antics.<br /><br />It was their choice to go to Denver to see the Bronchos when they could have easily paid their own way to Seattle to see the Seahawks.<br /><br />What is this Bill some kind of bleeding heart soppy column in support of two fools who obviously don't have smarts? A pity party for two idiots who thought too much of themselves?? <br /><br />Surely you can do a better attempt to extend milage on this story when most British Columbians have since moved on from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com