tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post2814481608325493385..comments2023-07-25T02:39:44.615-07:00Comments on Bill Tieleman: Vancouver Canucks game rioters "stupid and contagious" but rot starts at the top - why expect better behaviour?Bill Tielemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-38775744771389605412011-07-03T21:09:10.255-07:002011-07-03T21:09:10.255-07:00If there was a good that came out of the riot mayb...If there was a good that came out of the riot maybe it was that it rattled the cage of our smugness. I am so sick of the town pumpers with their "best place on earth" mantra. One can slice and dice the riot from any preconceived perspective and find evidence for your point of view. In fact it was multi--faceted. <br /><br />There were 'punks' (if you like) and you can argue about how they got that way. There was way too much booze, the preferred fuel of stupidity. But there were elements we don't like to look at as well. <br /><br />Sports itself seems to fuel this type of behaviour, especially when it comes to championships. Little reported was a soccer riot in Buenos Aires Jun 27 which was reportedly more violent and out of control than ours. Studies have shown that sports riots are a real phenomenon. <br /><br />But I like where Bill was going with his comments. What are ordinary people--people who might subscribe to "we are all Canucks"--supposed to think of $8,000 ticket prices? <br /><br />And right next to Roger's Arena is the half--billion dollar boondoggle of BC Stadium's new roof. While we can't find money for health care or a couple of million to fund legitimate participants in the the Missing Women Inquiry. <br /><br />Let's be blunt: today if you're not cynical, you're stupid. Our current cultural and economic environment doesn't build respect for our hallowed institutions. <br /><br />One could go on but let's just ask what do you expect when the most enthusiastically watched shows are Jackass and Jersey Shore?Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07387833829866724944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-75188058921254915902011-07-01T09:39:47.648-07:002011-07-01T09:39:47.648-07:00Actuallyt the rot is at the bottom. The idiotic ri...Actuallyt the rot is at the bottom. The idiotic rioters who took advantage of very large crowds and simply didn't behave.<br /><br />The other parts of rot are those insidious Anarchists. They are cowards (always have to wear black hoodies and masks, never showing their faces).<br /><br />This ins't 100% to blame on those at the top. It's also to blame to those idiot rioters who caused the damage, and of course the weasel lawyers that will protect Johnny and Jane from any long lasting legal harm despite their violent behaviour.<br /><br />Remember, the Stanley Cup riots occured during the NDP's time in office.<br /><br />So what about the top end rot then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-49824248853251175772011-06-29T19:32:23.830-07:002011-06-29T19:32:23.830-07:00Why expect exemplary behaviour indeed. I know I d...Why expect exemplary behaviour indeed. I know I don't. Given the examples of our police and politicians I'm surprised we don't have more small riots like that. I think the brave but not too smart people who tried to stop rioting have more to do with that than people realize. Also surprised more of them didn't get hurt badly.<br /><br />The result of a hockey game is a stupid reason to riot but there is no arguing with the latent anger in our society. As you said, the rot starts at the top. It affects nearly everyone to the point where the online vigilante mob has the same moral compass as the street mob and I would argue the same level of intellect. The only difference I see is which side the government and police are on. Do we really want to be on the side of rot?NeoDudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-45243884806376735882011-06-29T17:16:14.614-07:002011-06-29T17:16:14.614-07:00This is so embarrassing to the Canadian and especi...This is so embarrassing to the Canadian and especially to the BC citizens. How could Harper send such a corrupt, lying, deceiving, cheating, thief to England, as ambassador. <br /><br />There are some BC citizens, who are sending, all the information of Campbell, all over Britain. Including, his drunk mug shots. They need to be warned, of Campbell's corruption and thieving. How could Harper, be so stupid?<br /><br />We all knew Campbell was working for Harper. We also despise Harper, who is also underhanded, a dictator, cheats to win, and a sneak. But to send that scum, of a Campbell to England. Is an atrocity. Good God, what next? How many more times is Harper going to shame us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-53778261196434900552011-06-29T11:28:05.202-07:002011-06-29T11:28:05.202-07:00Good spin anona 1:48 PM. Lumping Jack Davis in wit...Good spin anona 1:48 PM. Lumping Jack Davis in with Stupich to try and make it seem like the NDP are baaaaad. The problem is that Jack Davis was a FEDERAL Liberal and a provincial LIBERAL/SOCIAL CREDIT.<br />If your going to try and blame the NDP with all the bad things in the province then name the NDP MLA's.<br /><br />Moe Sihota (cited by the Law Society and dumped off cabinet twice)<br /><br />Glen Clark (Fudge-It Budget and not knowing the true cost of the Fast Cats)<br /><br />David Stupich (skimming off bingo charities<br /><br />Robin Blencoe (found guilty in court of sexual harrassment)<br /><br /><br />"And then we will counter with all the Liberal crooks and liars. And believe me when I say they number about 150."<br /><br />There's lots of crooks and liars within the federal Liberals. We'll start with Pierre Elliott Trudeau (start point) and end with Jean Chretien (Ad Scam)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-41254046767783491022011-06-29T10:07:12.974-07:002011-06-29T10:07:12.974-07:00"the BC Liberal government's actions - th..."the BC Liberal government's actions - then it serves as a bad example - that's all."<br /><br />oh sure, when its the BC Liberals.<br /><br />How about when the NDP gets into wrong doing. The usual spinnn, Bill?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-30939202385029029412011-06-29T09:50:45.783-07:002011-06-29T09:50:45.783-07:00Andrea - I reported what I read from sports column...Andrea - I reported what I read from sports columnists. <br /><br />I think the fact that a woman was present still for many people means using the F-word in a public setting is worse - you may disagree.<br /><br />Basi and Virk weren't cited as role models - the point was a government that paid their legal bills even though they pled guilty to criminal actions.<br /><br />Lastly, there are issues of individuals doing personal wrong in government, police etc. <br /><br />My point is that when there are widespread problems beyond the individual - the RCMP - or systemic - the BC Liberal government's actions - then it serves as a bad example - that's all.Bill Tielemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03304971610140279157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-48809940561870569982011-06-28T23:25:34.642-07:002011-06-28T23:25:34.642-07:00While I think you've made some excellent point...While I think you've made some excellent points in your article, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you mentioned that there was a female reporter present when Aquilini used the F word. Why did you include this detail?Andrea Coutuhttp://www.consultantjournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-89250109628052304942011-06-28T17:19:10.997-07:002011-06-28T17:19:10.997-07:00Good spin anona 1:48 PM. Lumping Jack Davis in wit...Good spin anona 1:48 PM. Lumping Jack Davis in with Stupich to try and make it seem like the NDP are baaaaad. The problem is that Jack Davis was a FEDERAL Liberal and a provincial LIBERAL/SOCIAL CREDIT.<br />If your going to try and blame the NDP with all the bad things in the province then name the NDP MLA's. And then we will counter with all the Liberal crooks and liars. And believe me when I say they number about 150.Gary Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10640964040603349900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-70339725685994383242011-06-28T14:55:23.952-07:002011-06-28T14:55:23.952-07:00The HST caused it.
What can anyone say?
This...The HST caused it. <br /><br /><br />What can anyone say?<br /><br /><br />This is BC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-48847455429788356972011-06-28T13:48:05.878-07:002011-06-28T13:48:05.878-07:00Good article until the politics entered into it.
...Good article until the politics entered into it.<br /><br />Who in their right mind would ever consider Basi and Virk to be role models??<br /><br />The BC Liberals aren't a monopoly on bad judgement. The NDP had its fair share. David Stupich was convicted of skimming off the top of charity funds, Jack Davis took the difference between a first class seat and a coach seat on an airline ticket and paid for it for the rest of his political life, Recently a Senator was charged with wrongdoing.<br /><br />There's going to be bad apples in every bushel.<br /><br />The major problem with the rioters is that they should indeed have the book thrown at them, or better stilll be made to clean up the DTES including rooms and halls in the more run down hotels there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35935973.post-89830072735285846212011-06-28T13:19:26.473-07:002011-06-28T13:19:26.473-07:00And of course, we had Gordon Campbell - who was so...And of course, we had Gordon Campbell - who was solely responsible for the "Decade of Dishonesty, Deception and Deceit " in British Columbia. Yes, that does send out signals that it is ok to lie, cheat and steal - you get rewarded for it in Canada. Gordon Campbell now the new Canadian High Commissioner to the UK !<br /><br />In Canada, we reward crime and corruption with high diplomatic postings overerseas - hhhhhhm ! What does that tell us about the Conservative government of Canada - under the dubious leadership of Stephen Harper ???<br /><br />Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com